Moscow-proposed ‘humanitarian corridors’ in Ukraine lead to Russia and Belarus

Euractiv ^ | March 6, 2022

[FreeReign]

The Uke NATO cause is so compelling you have to force men up to age 60 to fight for it.

Putin cause "to unite the people of Ukraine with Russia is so compelling" that he has to invade a country, kill people kill civilians, chase away several million woman and children out of their homes and destroy cities.

Disgusting.

[JoSixChip]

But you told me your source. You BELIEVE Vladimir Putin. Have a nice day.

Who should I believe? Put-up, or shut-up. Don't worry, it's a rhetorical question. I know you can not provide a single source that has any more credibility then Putin.

[Magnum44]

I admit I don’t know much about this Azov unit, though I gather there has been conflict in east Ukraine for awhile. But I would need more than one obscure report to buy off that they are making Ukraine’s human shields. Not approving of neo-nazis in any way but seems more likely they aren’t letting Russian sympathizers run free given their country is under attack. Why let Russian sympathizers run around telling Russian forces where you are holding up? There is not one English speaking journalist/analyst who has reported on this? That was a question.

[Magnum44]

I posted this on another thread yesterday:

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I have spent the last 20+ years supporting surveillance systems for govt customers. I obviously can’t and won’t discuss capabilities, but there is a bigger problem in that even if I could tell you, or even if the surveillance was available to see, would anyone here believe it?

There is an element here that have decided nothing is believable, unless of course it fits their view already, then it must be the correct view and anyone who believes otherwise is either a putinista, a Soros NWO soldier, or a DU troll. There are people here who will berate and insult others for either their differing knowledge or their differing opinion, all while claiming they know what ‘truth’ is and the rest is propaganda. Frankly, FR is hardly a discussion forum anymore and I am disappointed that mods do not enforce rules of decorum while flame wars get nasty, yet they pull down other posts that may just be unappreciated humor.

Fact is, the only way to sift through all the war stories for any truth is to be open to hear all sides and let the cumulative picture form for yourself. That takes time and patience. It helps to have worked in a community where this type of information or these type of events were part of your background, but even then not all the data will support the same conclusion. You have to take it like a jury and look at the preponderance of evidence.

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So I don’t use any single source, and I have no illusions about one side being an innocent angel while the other is pure evil. But from the 60,000 foot view, Putin invaded an independent country and is targeting civilians as much or more than military targets. There is no justification for that. Ukraine’s internal problems were Ukraine’s. Putin injected himself into this, without being asked, without making a case before any U.N. body or court, and ignoring the worlds demands he find another way to address his grievances. He is the aggressor. Hundreds, no thousands, of sources to support this right in front of you on almost any tv station, radio station, or news outlet you turn on for the last 2 weeks.

So to answer your question, believe whatever you want. But don’t make claims you can’t back up. And if someone cites a Fox News report or bbc, don’t be one of those idiots who says you can’t trust them when you turn around and cite Putin and Pravda as your source.

[JoSixChip]

Save your attempt at intellectual gobbledygook, you are toeing the party line because you lack any curiosity or independent thought.

[Magnum44]

You prove my point. Closed minded and toeing your own party line, Putin’s party apparently.

[Boogieman]

Sure, because forced conscription has never happened during an invasion before. It’s soooo unusual.

[Boogieman]

“Slavery has existed for centuries.”

So up until we ended the draft in the 70s I guess we still had “slavery” according to this genius right here. LMAO!

[DesertRhino]

In the text of the 13th amendment it’s crystal clear. Yes it’s slavery. Woodrow Wilson used a legalistic game to start it again. He said when congress declared war, the entire nation has volunteered collectively through its representatives. He said he was not drafting anyone, he was “selecting” from a giant pool of volunteers. That’s why it’s called selective service. A progressive Supreme Court agreed.

Call it what you want, it’s involuntary servitude that is not punishment for a crime. The 13th gives no other exception to its prohibition.

Ukraine needs slave soldiers.

[Boogieman]

Being drafted into military service is not “involuntary servitude”. It’s a duty that comes along with citizenship. I’ve seen some crazy takes on this site, but that’s one of the craziest.

Trying to cite the 13th amendment which was just passed by people who USED THE DRAFT to win the war that they fought to abolish slavery is a real “genius” moment.

[Boogieman]

“Ukraine needs slave soldiers.”

Oh yeah, genius, Russia has universal conscription, even in peacetime. So if you actually believed this, you would be condemning them for being even worse than the Ukrainians in that regard. But you’re not. So we know your argument isn’t even genuine, just a pretext.