Pretty sure these are all non-starters.
Full circle.
That’s a lot closer to the “middle” that I thought negotiations would get to, if they ever got anywhere. If Putin is only asking for the donbas and no-Nato garauntees, then I think he actually wants this over
And what will Russia do if Ukraine accepts these propositions? What security guarantees does Ukraine get?
Never reward low life criminal scum by letting them keep the fruits of their criminal actions.
Kinda like Anton Chigurh in ‘No Country for Old Men’.. This might be the best deal they can get.
Just my own opinion.....Putin realizes he has efed up and is looking for a way out!!!!
And what will the Ruskies do for the Ukes other than annihilate them? That mighty white of them.
But if Ukraine has been whipped as someone here claims, why does Russia need to negotiate anything?
No to NATO, yes to EU (like Austria)
Recognition of Crimea's annexation, reintegration of Donbas "republics," preferably Ukraine but Russia if necessary as their continued existence is a constant source of provocation for both sides, like the Saarland was.
Ukraine's independence and neutrality to be guaranteed by both US and Russia (again like Austria)
No foreign troops except trainers in both Ukraine and Belarus.
Return to INF, Conventional Forces and OSCE treaties.
The Ukes gave up their nukes for a guarantee. Good luck on this deal.
Seems like a sensible outcome to me. I figured Putin was going for everything east of the Dnieper plus a guarantee of no NATO.
Russia had essentially achieved those goals prior to this massive debilitating invasion. Putin has made a catastrophic, disastrously bad decision. Russia has been weakened in every way and has shown the world that its military is not the juggernaut people once feared.
Putin has lost the real political support of the Russian people, morale is low and resentment is rampant throughout all ranks of the military and Russia is becoming impoverished.
If the Ukrainian negotiators countered that Putin must be deposed before there is peace, that condition would not be a non starter.
Crimea is already controlled Russia, and the eastern regions are a headache. Neutrality was one of the issues that started the war.
Also, notice how our propaganda masters are using “Kremlin” instead of “Russia”.
I can’t imagine that Putin ever wanted all of Ukraine. It would be too difficult to control. So that list is probably everything that Putin wanted in the first place.
Ask for the moon, then “reluctantly” accept your original demands.
Anyway, it’s up to Ukraine to accept or reject the deal. But if it’s accepted, I sure hope it’s not back to business as usual in the West with regards to Russia.
What happened to that 1997 treaty in which Russia agreed that Crimea is part of Ukraine? I guess it was nullified by the discovery of Black Sea oil and gas offshore of Crimea in 2012.
Left unsaid is the status of what’s been taken, the nuclear reactors come to mind. Putin may be looking to avoid the meat grinder that will be the leveling of Ukraine, which looks like that’ the only way he can take it. Talking out of my hat here. Just want it to be over.
“What good is a World without Russia?” he said.
Charlie Manson with nukes. Helter Skelter, 2022.
Not much has changed from Feb. 25 demands.
The eastern regions are very important, as they give Putin access to a port on the Black Sea.
LONDON (Reuters) -Russia has told Ukraine it is ready to halt military operations “in a moment” if Kyiv meets a list of conditions, the Kremlin spokesman said on Monday.
Dmitry Peskov said Moscow was demanding that Ukraine cease military action, change its constitution to enshrine neutrality, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, and recognise the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states.