Posted on 02/28/2022 8:47:21 AM PST by OneVike
You do make a fair point. The media is now portraying Ukraine as some sort of perfect country that is being bullied for no reason at all.
That is, of course, far from the truth. But I still hold to my previous comments. If you’re going to kill people and break things, you’d better have a damn good reason. In my opinion, that reason is absent here.
By the way, we saw the exact same thing in regards to Bush II and Iraq. In my opinion, Putin is now a war criminal. But so is George W. Bush.
No way!! I didn't know that!
Par for the course for Kyle Goebbels, though.
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I’m sorry, wrong thread.
Vindman’s (medals) wife was hired by Lincoln Project Child Molesters
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And now the Swiss are piling on.
This stinks. It stinks to high heaven.
Putin and Russia are in the wrong, but I am not sure we are in the right.
Agree.
We disagree on whether Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was provoked or not. I certainly understand Putin’s concern about NATO’s expansion. The mere talk of accepting Ukraine into NATO was foolish and dangerous.
But as I see it, you are only justified in going to war when another country has first committed a warlike activity against you. That is a high standard, I know.
Oh, and I do agree with you about Biden bearing some responsibility here. Everyone in his administration behaves like an ignorant and spoiled child. Unfortunately, I fully expect that to continue.
One day HE will spit us out like he did the Southern Tribe of Judah who would continually go from acting moral superior to Sodom like as they shoved their proverbial finger in GOD's eye.
True. Hitler had legitimate gripes against the Versailles Treaty, but up until the invasion of Poland, nobody attacked Germany.
Remember how they are still portraying us conservatives for questioning their rigged "election" in 2020 - as nutsoid conspiracy mongers.
They have all the heavy Media and propaganda hitters in on this one, and as we've seen, all they need to do is convince 30-40 percent of the people to ram their Narrative through.
These are the people that watch TeeVee.
I myself am not crippled by TeeVee influence, and I've been studying their Media for 25 years or more.
They lie about EVERYTHING - even more so when their direct interests are involved.
One shouldn’t forget Sarah Palin was getting advice and likely views from Mr. NWO, Henry Kissenger at the time.
Kind of a long vanity. I’ll take a stab here and there.
“When I think about it, I am always brought back to the reality of the way the United states has continually treated it’s allies. Consider this, we go from one extreme to the other, all depending on who our President is. “
***This was by DESIGN. Our founding fathers wanted power spread out among the 3 branches of guvmint, not too much landing in the president’s lap. So they gave him lotsa power over foreign policy because, at the time, one would send a message to some other country overseas saying “I don’t like you” and the response would be 6 weeks later “I don’t like you either” and it took MONTHS to go to war. Now it takes SECONDs.
I can’t help but wonder why I should care any more.
***Maybe you should take the time to think on both sides of the equation. All your thinking so far is on Russia’s side, not Ukraine’s side.
Seriously, can anyone truly blame Putin for caring more about his own country’s interests than the rest of the World’s interests?
***Seriously, can anyone truly blame Ukraine for caring more about their own country’s interests than the rest of the World’s interests?
To be quite honest, it is a natural, rational, logical thing to do.
***Then start thinking along those 2-sided lines instead of just 1-sided.
Or so one would think.
***Pablum expression.
unfortunately in today’s so-called Western Democracies of the World, we don’t have rational people running them.
***True. What can be done about it? Bringing the media back into balance, that’s one thing. Revoke section 230 protection on the internet, yank some FCC licenses until unbiased news is on those frequencies...
In the last 30 years or so, most of the leaders of Western Democracies have been, and still are, a bunch of idiots educated beyond their own intelligence.
***Yeah. So what is your point?
Could someone please point out to me which empires,
***Once again, you’re looking at this from only ONE angle: Russia’s. Look at it from Ukraine’s angle. Look at it from NATO’s angle. Look at it from USA’s angle.
or societies, in history willingly did things that were detrimental to the survival of their own society?
***I’m seeing commonalities in Ukrainian reluctance to join NATO with Taiwanese reluctance to declare independence from China. It’s probably simple hubris. They have a higher opinion of themselves than is warranted, and their enemies take advantage of that.
Bingo. It was intentionally done by the traitors in our midst. They want to bring down their own country in order to adhere to the globalist cabal. God help us.
Almost as soon as he took power, Hitler began to arm-up in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. But that was not a warlike activity. And so he was left alone, as he probably should have been.
Then in 1936 Hitler ordered the remilitarization of the Rhineland. German troops entered what was supposed to be kind of a neutral zone militarily. That was also a violation of the Treaty of Versailles. But unlike with the first example, in my opinion this was a warlike activity, and should have been met with force. Pity that it wasn’t.
Ain’t 20-20 hindsight great?
Now I would prefer Russia not annex Ukraine, but I would also have preferred we spent most our energy taking out the Taliban in Afghanistan than removing Saddam from power in Iraq.
***My approach would be to establish emBASEeees. In this case, Russia is the Taliban.
From my home page
I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.
And Hitler gave the order to turn back if the French shot at them, and of course the French never shot....and the rest is history.
Ditto!!!!!!
In your view, it’s unprovoked. Others disagree.
***Allrightie, then. How do we as a conservative site get down to the right and proper definition of “properly provoked” so much as to get invaded?
I personally believe the Taliban “properly provoked” an invasion of Afghanistan when they trained 19 hijackers to fly airplanes into buildings killing 3000 innocent Americans.
Were the Russians “properly provoked” into invading Afghanistan themselves? They tried to annex it as well, unsuccessfully.
I’m vacillating on Reagan’s invasion of Granada. For all his whoopin’, hollerin’ and peacockin’, that was his only military engagement so it was a great demonstration of deterrence if nothing else.
I think Britain was properly provoked into defending the Falklands, and Argentina was NOT properly provoked into invading them.
I think we were properly provoked into Gulf War 1, but not Gulf War 2. We shoulda cleaned out that country and set up emBASEeees.
I vacillate about whether we were properly provoked into invading Panama and getting Noriega. We wouldn’t even have had to if we had kept that marvelous example of a nice, long emBASEeee known as the Panama Canal.
We were properly provoked into landing at Inchon and fighting off the commies at Korea.
We were NOT properly provoked at the Gulf of Tonkin incident. But we shoulda helped out the south against that obvious invasion from the north.
We could look at Israel and whether they were properly provoked into initiating the 1967 war. I’m heavily biased in their favor.
I certainly will say this for the Russians, their police don’t fool around. If you get pulled over for so much as minor traffic violation it’s pretty much a given you’re going to get slapped around a bit and the Russians are okay with that.
As a conservative site, we can all have our opinions on "properly provoked".
I didn't attack Leaning Right for his/her differing view, I just pointed out that others disagreed.
we can all have our opinions on “properly provoked”.
***Judges 17:6
In those days ... every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
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