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Ukraine shelling: Biden says 'reason to believe' Russia conducting false flag operation before invasion
Fox News ^ | 17 FEB 2022 | Brooke Singman

Posted on 02/17/2022 10:00:39 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If we had invaded Mexico and taken some of their territory and was still fighting a proxy war for some more of their territory, I wouldn’t have a problem with Mexico reaching out to others for help.

This will be at least the 3rd time Russia has annexed territory from their neighbors by force.

They are the aggressors here. The only reason 10,000 NATO troups and 200 US advisors are in Ukraine is because of Russia’s prior aggressions.

No one believes Ukraine was inviting NATO troops to invade Russia.


21 posted on 02/17/2022 10:26:04 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Back when politics and diplomacy was serious business handled by serious men these sorts of comments would not be made in public. This has the feel of YouTube gangstas throwing down via videos. Not how things were back in the day.


22 posted on 02/17/2022 10:30:04 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
State Dept Spokesman: We have indications that a Russian invasion of Ukraine is imminent.

Reporter: What evidence of this do you have?

State Dept Spokesman: I just told you we have indications that an invasion is imminent.

Reporter: No, you are making an assertion. What evidence do you have?

State Dept Spokesman: *blank stare*

23 posted on 02/17/2022 10:30:25 AM PST by McGruff (Trump/DeSantis 2024)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

The affirmative-action low-IQ gangsters are in charge now.

Anything could happen.


24 posted on 02/17/2022 10:30:54 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong [FJB])
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“in many ways this brings Russian troops right up to NATO’s doorstep.”

I’m pretty sure it’s NATO troops that are on Russia’s doorstep.

Up is down. Black is white.


25 posted on 02/17/2022 10:32:56 AM PST by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

(Stolen) elections have consequences.


26 posted on 02/17/2022 10:33:50 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Too late, Joe. Russia attacked yesterday, remember?


27 posted on 02/17/2022 10:38:27 AM PST by SaxxonWoods ("If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself." - Minquass)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Spot on!!! I have heard more than one person hint at this!!! Laura Ingraham for one. Maria Bartiromo for another.


28 posted on 02/17/2022 10:53:40 AM PST by Sons of Union Vets (Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory!)
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29 posted on 02/17/2022 10:59:12 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: chuckee
I am reminded about the secret deal Angela Merkel made with Putin relating to the Nordstream 2 gas pipeline - that would bypas Ukraine and carry Russian gas under the Baltic Sea right straight to Germany - without consultation with other NATO members.

This was a violation of NATO rules....consulting with the Russian adversary which is the raison d'etre for NATO's existence in the first place.

30 posted on 02/17/2022 11:06:53 AM PST by Sons of Union Vets (Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The Biden Ukraine Mop-Up Operation must be kicking into gear.
31 posted on 02/17/2022 11:28:09 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (It's becoming more difficult to tell the difference between a RINO and a Marxist.)
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To: Sons of Union Vets

Question, since you seem familiar with things over there:
how much could China’s “Road and Belt Initiative China’s “ factor into this? If I recall, a leg of the belt extends into those waters.

If so, it might explain Merkel’s collaboration, Putin’s belligerence and Biden’s opposition.

Far fetched?


32 posted on 02/17/2022 11:46:22 AM PST by tsomer
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Putin is playing along with the charade, because he wants Biden and Kamala to stay in power.

That is absolutely right. Trump cost him billions in lower petroleum prices, while Biden is the best friend a third-world thug ever had.

33 posted on 02/17/2022 11:47:17 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Joe does not know what False Flag means.

It would be false flag if the Ukranians were shelling them selves and blaming the Russians.

Same if the U.S. had a super-secret artillary unit in the Ukraine shelling the Ukrainians.

If the Russians are shelling Ukrainian schools then what you have is an actual Russian attack on Ukraine.

34 posted on 02/17/2022 11:47:53 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Red Badger

Baby formula plant


35 posted on 02/17/2022 12:45:26 PM PST by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: tsomer
From what I have read, Russia approves of China's Belt and Road initiative. In 2015 China and Russia signed the “Joint Statement on Cooperation on the Construction of Joint Eurasian Economic Union and the Silk Road Projects”. Among other things, it enhances interconnectedness and helps smooth over chain supply issues vis a vis work on actual infrastructure - especially between East Asia and Europe

This is also probably related to the construction of the eastern route of the Chinese-Russian gas pipeline which is currently at an advanced stage with the Chinese-Russian oil pipeline reportedly being stable.

Another consideration is that both China and Russia are making territorial claims on countries which they regard as part of their turf. While Russia is eyeing Ukraine, China is eyeing Taiwan.

As for Merkel, she is a former East German communist - with the meaning of the word "former" in her case being up for grabs. It is very possible that Germany is once again looking to dominate Europe, and having the gas pipeline run to Germany could very well accomplish just that. If this happens, Russia, by rendering Germany "bought and paid for", would presumably be in a position to dominate Eurasia, while Germany would be in a position to dominate Europe proper. Recall that during World War II a pact was made between Hitler and Stalin. Since people never learn the lessons of the past, history does have a tendency to repeat itself.

As for Biden, I think that he is desperately seeking a diversion that will shift public attention away from all of his failures and shady activities for which his son Hunter served as bagman. Let's keep in mind that Biden's shady activities involved both Ukraine and Russia.

Biden likes China's Belt and Road Initiative so much that he founded his own rival plan called "Build Back Better." The problem is that "human infrastructure" (subsidies and handouts) is not the sort of "infrastructure" needed to keep the trains running on time.

36 posted on 02/17/2022 5:29:26 PM PST by Sons of Union Vets (Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory!)
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Thanks for your reply; it's caused me to scratch a little more and I think I ought to share this, written in 2019:

"...Bilateral trade relations between China and Ukraine have grown dramatically over the past few years. China has become the largest, single nation trading partner, bypassing Russia..."

source: https://thediplomat.com/2019/10/why-china-is-setting-its-sights-on-ukraine/

Regardless proclamations of cooperation from both, I suspect the relationship is competitive at heart. Those two leaders share a similar geopolitical outlook, which would guarantee friction at some point. Putin would, by now, see China's success with BRI as a threat--an expansionist program of colonization intent on dominance of at least one hemisphere. (That's what BRI looks like to me and I'm not the swiftest horse out of the gate.)

I can't imagine Putin ever being content sharing another boarder with China--or one of its colonies.

I'm afraid this raises the odds he'll invade; in fact I tend to think he must.

37 posted on 02/18/2022 1:34:07 PM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer
Re:Regardless proclamations of cooperation from both, I suspect the relationship is competitive at heart. Those two leaders share a similar geopolitical outlook, which would guarantee friction at some point. Putin would, by now, see China's success with BRI as a threat--an expansionist program of colonization intent on dominance of at least one hemisphere. (That's what BRI looks like to me and I'm not the swiftest horse out of the gate.)

I think your assessment of the BRI situation is correct. The BRI is a debt trap for any country that accepts it. In fact, it is called "debt trap diplomacy" - part of a manipulative global strategy which consists of funding major infrastructure projects in developing nations with unsustainable loans and then using the debt to gain leverage over those governments.

Check out the following:

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/09/what-chinas-belt-and-road-initiative-bri

38 posted on 02/18/2022 10:42:33 PM PST by Sons of Union Vets (Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory!)
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To: Sons of Union Vets

You have to hand it to them, it’s brilliant, you would almost think it came from Sun Tzu:

Control transport,
you may control commerce.
Control commerce,
you may control the economy.
Control the economy,
then you control a nation.


39 posted on 02/20/2022 8:46:44 PM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer
Good point!

One likely reason why they are getting away with it is because they have bought off most of the politicians and other persons of influence who might have opposed it.

40 posted on 02/21/2022 4:51:38 PM PST by Sons of Union Vets (Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory!)
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