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Ukraine crisis on the brink: Russia says it caught US submarine in its waters and 'drove it out' while blasting Western 'provocation' as Biden holds phone call with Putin and airlines stop flights to Kiev – hours after invasion warning
Daily Mail ^ | 2/12/22

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:27:02 AM PST by BusterDog

The Russian military said today it caught a US submarine in its far-east waters and drove it out with 'appropriate means' after the vessel ignored a Russian request to leave, Interfax news agency has reported.

The encounter came as Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Joe Biden held a high-stakes phone call, as a tense world watched and worried that a Russian invasion of Ukraine could begin as soon as Wednesday.

Biden warned his Kremlin counterpart that the United States 'will respond decisively and impose swift and severe costs on Russia' should it invade Ukraine.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: biden; dementiajoe; kiev; neanderthaljoe; putin; putinsbuttboys; russia; submarine; ukraine; vlad; westernprovocation
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To: BusterDog

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-warships-in-black-sea-amid-nato-russia-tensions-2021-11


41 posted on 02/12/2022 11:15:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: BusterDog

All that corrupt foreign aid money the U.S. politicians banked on going up in smoke.

The Ukraine bank may get closed. Then again, maybe they just want last big party for (and from) defense contractors before the shop gets closed up.


42 posted on 02/12/2022 11:16:05 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (Defund Politicians )
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To: The Louiswu

Dangerous game to play just to get Biden’s polls up. He’s going to look especially stupid if China invades Taiwan while he’s showboating with Putin.


43 posted on 02/12/2022 11:16:24 AM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: Nifster
For all those who think US troops aren’t in Ukraine why did the US just order all US troops out?

No, on Friday the State Department recommended all US citizens leave Ukraine in the next 24-48 hours.

44 posted on 02/12/2022 11:18:16 AM PST by Paleo Conservative ( )
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To: BusterDog

“It’s the economy, stupid.”


45 posted on 02/12/2022 11:22:17 AM PST by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: BusterDog

Just a random thought: The Biden administration has already accused Russia of planning a false flag operation to place the blame for the start of any hostilities on the Ukrainians.

Maybe we should assume, as we usually can do in all matters Democrat, that what they’re accusing others of doing is exactly what they intend to do themselves?

If the Ukraine is attacked and Putin says they didn’t do it, perhaps we should cut him some slack for a bit?


46 posted on 02/12/2022 11:22:35 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: Hostage

Poor things. Now we are closing in on their war.


47 posted on 02/12/2022 11:23:37 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Norseman
The default position is to assume that the Democrats are lying. They couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it.
48 posted on 02/12/2022 11:28:21 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (It's becoming more difficult to tell the difference between a RINO and a Marxist.)
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To: Nifster

Why did the US just order all US troops out?

Because the whole thing is a false flag operation. Putin is not going to invade the Ukraine. They are broke and corrupt. He doesn’t want the Ukraine he just wants his military port on the Black Sea which he has.

Let me predict that shortly you will hear on the fake news that there has been a massive cyber attack on the Ukraine and of course Russia will be the culprit. Or they will make sure there’s a rocket explosion somewhere in the Ukraine and say that Russia launched a rocket attack.

Anything to keep you from watching the audits of the rigged election, the depopulation from the vaxx and the implosion of our economy.


49 posted on 02/12/2022 11:29:37 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: laconic

“I guarantee that if things don’t go well for the US in Ukraine, the authors of this war will be the same turncoats as we had in Vietnam with those who cooked up the Gulf of Tonkin excuse - Robert McNamara, Cyrus Vance, LBJ’s aides - who later trashed the war they started on a phony excuse.”

In Nam, we had no soldiers getting maimed and/or killed, only advisors.

Then, came the Gulf of Tonkin B$!, as you noted above!:


The Truth About Tonkin:

Questions about the Gulf of Tonkin incidents have persisted for more than 50 years. But once-classified documents and tapes released in the past several years, combined with previously uncovered facts, make clear that high government officials distorted facts and deceived the American public about events that led to full U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

On 2 August 1964, North Vietnamese patrol torpedo boats attacked the USS Maddox (DD-731) while the destroyer was in international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. There is no doubting that fact. But what happened in the Gulf during the late hours of 4 August—and the consequential actions taken by U.S. officials in Washington—has been seemingly cloaked in confusion and mystery ever since that night.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin

Johnson Lied, 55,000 Died!

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 132 ^ | August 2004 | John Prado
Posted on 8/22/2006, 8:34:54 AM by Hillary’s MoralVoid

Forward: During this election season, you will certainly hear the mantra “Bush lied”. To counter that, here is a REAL example of how intelligence was distorted, resulting in TENS of THOUSANDS of American lives lost.

“The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, 40 Years Later — Flawed Intelligence and the Decision for War in Vietnam”

Signals Intercepts, Cited at Time, Prove Only August 2nd Battle, Not August 4; purported Second Attack Prompted Congressional Blank Check for War

Johnson-McNamara Tapes Show READINESS TO ESCALATE, EVEN ON SUSPECT INTEL. TOP AIDES KNEW OF MISTAKEN SIGNALS, but Welcomed Justification for Vote (Emphasis added)

Washington, D.C., 4 August 2004 - Forty years ago today, President Johnson and top U.S. officials chose to believe that North Vietnam had just attacked U.S. destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin, even though the highly classified signals intercepts they cited to each other actually described a naval clash two days earlier (a battle prompted by covert U.S. attacks on North Vietnam), according to the declassified intercepts, Johnson White House tapes, and related documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.

Compiled by Archive senior fellow and Vietnam expert John Prados, today’s 40th anniversary electronic briefing book includes Dr. Prados’s detailed analysis of the intercepts - only declassified in 2003 - together with audio files and transcripts of the key Tonkin Gulf conversations between President Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. The latter are excerpted from Dr. Prados’s book, The White House Tapes (New York: The New Press, 2003). The posting also contains photographs and charts from the Tonkin Gulf incident courtesy of the U.S. Naval Historical Center, a detailed documentary chronology compiled by the State Department’s Office of the Historian for the Foreign Relations of the United States series, a CIA Special National Intelligence on Vietnam.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/


50 posted on 02/12/2022 11:32:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave (“Cloth and paper masks are as worthless as the people, who wear and advocate them!” A Clemenza post!)
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To: libertylover

Sorry. Meant to say “DID NOT”


51 posted on 02/12/2022 11:34:54 AM PST by rrrod (6)
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To: BusterDog

Putin has said that there would be nuclear weapons at play.

When someone says that they might use nuclear weapons maybe pig face bidet had better “think” that it might be wise to back off.

Think? Oh Wait..


52 posted on 02/12/2022 11:35:06 AM PST by crz
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To: All

this whole thing is a put on.. Payback for the nordstream pipeline.


53 posted on 02/12/2022 11:35:22 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: The Louiswu

Hah! I’m watching that movie right now!


54 posted on 02/12/2022 11:35:30 AM PST by ValleyofHope (Anti-marxist ally)
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To: Dalberg-Acton
Biden wants to be a war President?

Biden's handlers want him to continue being president. If that takes a nuclear wag the dog war, so be it.

As long as they can be Lord God Emperors over the ashes, it's all good.

55 posted on 02/12/2022 11:38:51 AM PST by null and void (Sometimes I think all I'm ever doing is trying to convince myself I'm climbing in the trees)
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To: BusterDog

far-east waters

is that kinda like the Straights?


56 posted on 02/12/2022 11:39:54 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Major Matt Mason
The default position is to assume that the Democrats are lying. They couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it.

They lie even when the truth would better serve them.

57 posted on 02/12/2022 11:43:28 AM PST by null and void (Sometimes I think all I'm ever doing is trying to convince myself I'm climbing in the trees)
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To: Nifster

There are guys who may be involved in training and/or maintenance, in addition to liaison officers, etc.. Pretty common to have small numbers of U.S. personnel in any friendly country of significance. But there is a difference between those staff-type positions, and actual combat troops. That is a distinction that is generally considered a given when defense people are talking about this stuff.


58 posted on 02/12/2022 11:47:04 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Grampa Dave
There was a joke going round among Conservatives in the 60’s: They told me if I voted for Goldwater, there would be a war in Vietnam, I did and there was.
59 posted on 02/12/2022 11:51:45 AM PST by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up! )
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To: cowboyusa

There was a joke going round among Conservatives in the 60’s: They told me if I voted for Goldwater, there would be a war in Vietnam, I did and there was.

Yep! You, me a few million voters, voted for Goldwater and Shazam! We had a war in Nam.


60 posted on 02/12/2022 11:54:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave (“Cloth and paper masks are as worthless as the people, who wear and advocate them!” A Clemenza post!)
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