Posted on 02/05/2022 8:51:57 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
Former President Donald Trump shot back at his former Vice President Mike Pence on Friday after Pence said that Trump was “wrong” in claiming he had the ability as vice president to overturn the 2020 election, calling the notion of one man electing the president “un-American.”
In a fiery statement Friday night, Trump criticized Pence and his “unwitting advisors,” calling the former vice president “an automatic conveyor belt” for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for refusing to intervene in Biden’s election.
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Excellent post.
Wrong. If there be no Majority— the Election goes to the House. The role of the VP Constitutionally is to POLL the State’s Electoral Delegations, each one, as to their acceptance of the Electoral votes carried to the Chamber.
He MUST ask for their approval of their own State’s vote, and if there is non-acceptance (a POLITICAL action, btw, as the Founders knew how crooked at the local and State level politics were and are, and need one more oversight to prevent FRAUD on the People)— if there is non-acceptance, THOSE votes are set aside from the count. The result being no Majority, the next step is clear.
The term “overturn” is misleading. What Pence was expected to do was not certify the election as valid, which would have been the correct thing to do, given the amount of fraud.
Pence is quite the FOOL and is quite brazenly willfully stupid. And it points to Questions as to WHY he would be this way— which then calls into question as to WHOSE boat he is rowing, against his Oath of Office and to the Constitution.
He is really quite idiotic to be doing this— and it HAS to be under duress from pressure on him from something in his past, known to the powers who want him to do this.
IOW Pence is a TOOL. Blatant.
I think when a President’s chosen VP attacks him and the President then attacks back it looks bad for both of them. The dems love it.
No, FRiend, the democrats in the House... had the Election been turned over to the House could not have overcome the number of 1 Vote per State votes for President. Why? Because each State’s House representatives votes for President for their State. At the time (and, even now) this Session of the House has more Republican majorities in each of the total States to have voted (perhaps in many repeat votes, true) the majority of States for Trump.
As the FOUNDERS intended— to overcome what they knew was and would be perpetual efforts to defraud a Representative Republic by the actions of a “Democracy” MOB. We are a Republic.
If Pence had stepped forward at that time, showing true courage, he woulda managed to distinguish himself and gotten far more MSM coverage as a politician. Now he is simply propped up as the weak sister in the leftie hopes that he’ll be their nice-guy opponent.
Wait until Camel heels harris DOES this, as she is doing now— to JOEBAMA BIDEN.
It is happening now, and will give a clear choice to even a stupid bought public.
That’s it. There’s nothing there about the President of the Senate (Pence, in this case) having any official ability to call attention to any fraud. It’s purely a ceremonial role to count the electoral votes in front of Congress.
***If it was set up as a ceremonial role then the founding fathers woulda called it a ceremonial role, but there’s nothing there about it being a ceremonial role. It says he is to count the votes, so when the votes are fraudulent he DOES NOT COUNT THEM.
You are unaware of the efforts to re-write the Electoral Counting Act.
It is NOT irrelevant. You do not understand that Pence is putting a false PREMISE in his speech. That is not and NEVER was a Trump intention, since Pence swore an Oath to support, protect and defend the Constitution.
He failed his Oath, and he’s doubling down on this, by re-wording what he actually did. He is a craven lying clown. And the entire world sees this, and are WORKING the dem/media clowns to fool people who can no longer be fooled.
Are you sure the founders didn’t say “and now let’s put some ceremonies into the Constitution”? s/
Yes. No slash-ess.
Pence HAD the obligation not to accept that he electoral college if he believes the vote was obtained illegitimately. Pence had the ABILITY to block a new POTUS via the electoral college of if he didn’t accept the legitimacy of the vote.
The strawman argument put forward by Pence is that he as one person couldn’t make Trump POTUS again. That is true!! Pence couldn’t make Trump POTUS, the process would have been kicked back to the senate for investigation and state legislator appointed representatives to decide.
Pence did have the power to force legitimate investigation and legitimate State Legislature involvement, or to go along with the fraud and have Joe Biden be POTUS.
He made his choice. We can either support or condemn him for that choice. History, in my opinion, will not look kindly on his actions.
False...Pence was warmly received by the assembled Federalists and the entire speech was recorded by C-Span.
Only way to get”The Truth!”
I think it’s AWESOME. This is where the defining line is drawn on who is our enemy and who’s on our side.
I know how the one vote in the House operates, it was done in other contested elections.
The problem is in 2020, none of the steps that were taken in prior contested elections were taken to get to that point. The state legislators in states where Trump was cheated “dropped the ball” by not meeting and sending their set of electors in opposition to the ones that showed up in DC.
Without that happening, many Congressional Republicans “cut bait” without that cover.
When Pence asked for any objections on a state, there needed to be actual objections from members of the House & Senate from THAT state. Not other state delegations blowing hot air.
So Pence was supposed to object anyway, and find an “end around” to send electoral votes back to states that had already certified?
How was that supposed to work?
I mean this was the 59th time we’ve elected a President.
Why hadn’t it already happened before?
From what I understand about the Electoral Count Act of 1887 (ECA) so far, first it is based on the 12th Amendment (12A). The law give Congress the power to police state compliance with 12A, Congress wrongly ignoring major constitutional problems with state compliance with 12 A for the last 100+ years imo.
Interestingly, ECA established a form of voter identification (my wording) for official electors.
Since ECA is based on 12A, when the states violate 12A, Congress not only violates ECA by blatantly ignoring that states violate 12A, but Congress also fails to uphold its oath to protect and defend 12A.
In fact, J6 is arguably déjà vu of Pelosi irresponsibly ramming unconstitutional (imo) Obamacare through the House.
So how do the states violate 12A? (With the help of the likewise very corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties.)
So-called state "winner take all" laws, for example, are unconstitutional imo, the states surrendering their power to make such laws when they ratified that amendment.
Excerpted from the 12th Amendment..."The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate [emphasis added];-- [...]"
More specifically, the Trump/Pence diversion ignores that Congress is ignoring that 12A doesn't allow the states to effectively abridge the votes of some electors, effectively letting other electors vote more than once.
In fact, Justice Joseph Story had volunteered what reads like a theoretical example of a state divided by political parties, its electoral votes therefore split, thus weakening the effect of its electoral votes.
"In case of any party divisions in a state, it may neutralize its whole vote, while all the other states give an unbroken electoral vote." —Justice Joseph Story, Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3, Commentaries on the Constitution 3, 1833."
If a state's electoral votes are split, it is the same idea when a state's federal senators vote yea and nay on a given bill for example, effectively nullifying that state's Senate representation in Congress for that bill.
Also note that the states have never expressly constitutionally given ordinary qualified citizen voters the specific power to vote for president like citizens have for members of Congress.
In other words, the power of ordinary voters to vote for president is based on what is arguably an abuse of 10th Amendment state powers imo, the corrupt political parties misleading ordinary voters to think that the Constitution puts voters in charge of who is president.
Corrections, insights welcome.
The ultimate remedy for unconstitutionally big, alleged election-stealing, Democratic Party-pirated federal and state governments, allegedly manufacturing crises to oppress everybody under their boots...
Consider that the states effectively have "veto power" over continued unpopular, unconstitutional actions of the feds.
More specifically, all the states can effectively “secede” from the unconstitutionally big federal government by doing the following.
Patriots need to primary federal and state elected officials who don't send voters email ASAP that clearly promises to do the following.
Federal and state lawmakers need to promise in their emails to introduce resolutions no later than 100 days after start of new legislative sessions that proposes an amendment to the Constitution to the states, the amendment limited to repealing the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments (16&17A), little or no discussion required imo.
In fact, I challenge the states to ram the repeal amendment for 16&17A through the ratification process faster than Nancy Pelosi irresponsibly rammed unconstitutional Obamacare through the House. /semi-sarc
Again, insights welcome.
It says he COUNTS the VOTES. If they are fraudulent HE DOES NOT COUNT THEM.
Not in the constitution? Ya mean like, not in the constitution to extend marital rights to Sodomites which had been constitutionally illegal for 2 centuries? That kind of “not in the constitution”? Or the one where there’s supposedly a right to kill the preborn human out of convenience, 60 MILLION of them? That kinda constitutional stuff? Or the same constitution that was so plain as to require NBC for the prez and the universally accepted definition at the time written was “born of 2 US Citizens on US soil”? That kind of constitution?
Or are you going for that concept that Al Gore promoted as VP wherein he said there was “no overriding legal authority” so he could do what he wanted, that kind of constitutional silence?
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