Trump claims ex-VP Mike Pence had power to overturn election

NY Daily News ^ | 01/31/2022 | Dave Goldiner

[sam_whiskey]

Meet Donald Trump, the constitutional scholar.

The twice-impeached former president is claiming that the bipartisan effort to reform the Electoral Count Act of 1887 proves that ex-Vice President Mike Pence had the legal right to overturn the results of the 2020 election that Trump lost.

“If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had “absolutely no right” to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate ... how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election?” Trump asked.

Without providing any facts or legal precedent, Trump suggested the effort to clarify the 135-year-old statute means Pence would have been within his rights to reject the results of the electoral votes cast by the states on Jan. 6, 2021.

[DiogenesLamp]

Do you believe that rulings such as the one you wanted him to make can be appealed to the floor? Yes or no?

Don't care. It was his *DUTY* to make the process as nasty and unpleasant as possible while doing everything he could to interfere with a hijacked election process.

Whether he ultimately succeeds or fails is irrelevant to what his actions should have been.

[Houserino]

Probably a bad idea to make outrageous statements based on ‘what you heard’.. Probably on the internet too.

[Jim Noble]

When states want to have an alternate slate of electors because of voter fraud, Pence should have sent the decision back to the states for investigation of fraud, a canvas of votes and audits.

When a State Legislature wants to appoint a slate of Electors at variance with procedures in place before the popular vote, how do they do it? (they vote)

Did any State Legislature do that before or after January 6 2021? (no)

Were there any Electors whose votes were counted that were NOT given certificates of ascertainment? (no).

So what are you talking about here?

You propose that a state or states "wanted" to have an alternate slate of electors. Name one state, or all of them, that "wanted" that, and tell us how them "wanting" that was made known to the nation?

You can't, because it never happened, not in one state, not ever.

[Sacajaweau]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15

[Political Junkie Too]

Note that both the Democrats and Republicans are looking into writing a law to disallow that going forward.

That would basically be to repeal US Code Title 3 Chapter 1.

-PJ

[PeachyKeen]

Good grief. I made no outrageous statement. Get over it!

[semimojo]

Trump neither said nor suggested tgat pence could overturn the election

"“Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!” Trump wrote."

[Skywise]

No - the goal was to restrict the VP to essentially being a rubber stamp of the electoral votes and not allowing the process to be suspended.

[Jim Noble]

“He “shall” count them. Very clear.”

It would be very clear, IF it were in Article II, Amendment XII, or anywhere else in the Constitution - but it isn't.

[indthkr]

Weak Pence - bump for later...

[Jeff Vader]

they were picked for him, he had no help what so ever from the bureaucracy or the gop. 99.9% of the people working with/for him were setting him up for failure. it’s wonder he got anything done

[stanne]

Oy

[The MAGA-Deplorian]

Has there ever been such a blatant Presidential election theft?

Ask the Kennedy's. But when you get someone like Nixon who is the patron saint of Republican cowardliness and would never stand up for corruption and fight, Trump scares the living crap out of both parties. To the rest of those who say theres no proof of fraud, http://2000mules.com/

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Because nobody else had enough guts to fight it, it should never be fought?

[Political Junkie Too]

his job was to read them into the record...nothing more.

US Code Title 3 Chapter 1 3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress:

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.

Both you and Pence left out that last part about calling for objections as a part of his responsibilities.

-PJ

[Political Junkie Too]

See my post #75. This is what would have to be changed.

-PJ

[DoodleDawg]

Where it says his office is required.

Making crap up as you go along again I see.

[PeachyKeen]

Good grief. I made no outrageous statement. Get over it!

[DoodleDawg]

Both you and Pence left out that last part about calling for objections as a part of his responsibilities.

But that does not say that Pence himself can object and refuse to recognize the votes sent in by the states.

[Sacajaweau]

I posted this at Post 34.