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Trump claims ex-VP Mike Pence had power to overturn election
NY Daily News ^ | 01/31/2022 | Dave Goldiner

Posted on 01/31/2022 8:57:29 AM PST by sam_whiskey

Meet Donald Trump, the constitutional scholar.

The twice-impeached former president is claiming that the bipartisan effort to reform the Electoral Count Act of 1887 proves that ex-Vice President Mike Pence had the legal right to overturn the results of the 2020 election that Trump lost.

“If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had “absolutely no right” to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate ... how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election?” Trump asked.

Without providing any facts or legal precedent, Trump suggested the effort to clarify the 135-year-old statute means Pence would have been within his rights to reject the results of the electoral votes cast by the states on Jan. 6, 2021.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2020; 30pence; 30shekels; biglie; donaldtrump; mikepence; pence; thebiglie; trump
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To: DiogenesLamp
He has discretionary power or the Constitution would not have specified that office. To treat the “president of the Senate” as rubber stamp renders that clause of the constitution as having no effect.

That's almost precisely the role he is given. It indeed has the full effect of what it says. You are adding to what it says.

21 posted on 01/31/2022 9:14:00 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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Pays Cash for new Mansion (multi-million book deal) and gets
A No show DC job with a “Think tank.”

His brother in Congress has Voted for all Biden’s spending.

Not hard to figure out.

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22 posted on 01/31/2022 9:14:59 AM PST by AnthonySoprano (‘’)
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To: Sacajaweau

You need to learn the meaning of ‘certify’”

certify

VERB
attest or confirm in a formal statement.
“the profits for the year had been certified by the auditors” · [more]
synonyms:
verify · guarantee · attest · validate · ratify · warrant · confirm · corroborate · substantiate · endorse · vouch for · testify to · provide evidence of · authenticate · document · bear witness to · bear out · give proof of · prove · demonstrate · back up · support
officially recognize (someone or something) as possessing certain qualifications or meeting certain standards.
“she was certified as a personal trainer”
synonyms:
accredit · recognize · license · authorize · approve · warrant · empower · qualify · endorse · sanction · vouch for · put one’s seal of approval on · appoint · give a certificate to · give a diploma to

Notice it does not say “just sign anything they give you”
He was certainly within his rights to listen to the objections, and delay ‘certifying’ it until the objections were addressed. It was done before, so there was even precedent.

I have to ‘certify’ work all the time in my job. If I certify something and it fails it is my head on a platter... so NO I would never ‘certify’ something if several of the participants expressed misgivings about it.


23 posted on 01/31/2022 9:15:01 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: sam_whiskey
Whether or not he had the authority, he was completely MIA while the Crime Of The Century was taking place. Not a word from him. You think he’s the type to fight for anything ? He’s a career politician. I think he actually wanted Trump out of office so he could put some distance between Trump and himself for his 2024 run.
24 posted on 01/31/2022 9:16:12 AM PST by libh8er
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To: sam_whiskey

This issue will never be resolved. Some states were asking to send the votes back as they realized fraud and corruption. The Deep states overlords were just too much to overcome. Trump was in their way and they could not have him anymore. Trump won


25 posted on 01/31/2022 9:18:28 AM PST by PeachyKeen
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To: Sacajaweau; Republican Wildcat

“He had no such authority. And his job was to read them into the record...nothing more.”

So you folks believe the Founder’s intent was for everyone involved in the Electoral Process to robotically approve everything?

Then why have them do this at all?

No, in the face of evidence of fraud there is an obligation to at least delay certification until such time as any substantial questions about specific Electoral ballots are answered.


26 posted on 01/31/2022 9:19:28 AM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: MercyFlush

Absolutely!


27 posted on 01/31/2022 9:22:03 AM PST by PeachyKeen
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To: DiogenesLamp

He’s not rubber stamping anything. He’s reading the results into the record. Period.


28 posted on 01/31/2022 9:22:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Republican Wildcat; DiogenesLamp

“The Constitution does indeed clearly define the role and powers and does not grant the Vice President any such authority.”

Of course it does. It delegated that authority to Pence the exact same way that it delegated legislative and executive review to the Supreme Court (see Marbury v. Madison).

If the black robed demigods can do it then so can other officers of the Constitution.


29 posted on 01/31/2022 9:23:20 AM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: MercyFlush
So you folks believe the Founder’s intent was for everyone involved in the Electoral Process to robotically approve everything?

Since the electoral votes themselves came from the states then yes, it was the job of the legislative branch to merely tally the votes they send. In this matter the states the authority.

30 posted on 01/31/2022 9:25:10 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Mr. K

“so NO I would never ‘certify’ something if several of the participants expressed misgivings about it.”

Very valid point, the VP failed his job in certifying the results when their questions to be still answered. If the VP did his job, we would either have Trump in Office or valid election. We have neither due to the VP.


31 posted on 01/31/2022 9:28:16 AM PST by DEPcom (Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules)
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32 posted on 01/31/2022 9:31:48 AM PST by AnthonySoprano (‘’)
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To: libh8er

Whether or not he had the authority, he was completely MIA while the Crime Of The Century was taking place. Not a word from him. You think he’s the type to fight for anything ? He’s a career politician. I think he actually wanted Trump out of office so he could put some distance between Trump and himself for his 2024 run.

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I liked Pence, and still do. Not sure about what happened in the end. But, if he’s planning on running in 2024, he’ll go as far as Jeb! did.


33 posted on 01/31/2022 9:32:17 AM PST by TiGuy22
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To: Sacajaweau

Then why did he ask if objections were in writing and signed by a senator? If there was no purpose why ask the question?


34 posted on 01/31/2022 9:32:53 AM PST by McGavin999 (To shut down the border tell the administration the cartel is smuggling Ivermectin )
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To: sam_whiskey

Donald Trump may not be an authority on the Constitution, but he certainly can hire any number of such knowledgeable Constitutional authorities. And he has been known to take advice when he considers it to be sound.

The New York Daily News is not known to be even-handed in its approach to legal tangles. So they are building a straw man here, in the hopes of creating a spectacular blaze.

But the words of that law are pretty plain. The method of selection of the next President and Vice President is shifted from the Electoral College to the joint action of both Houses of Congress.


35 posted on 01/31/2022 9:34:13 AM PST by alloysteel (There are folks running the government who shouldn't be allowed to play with matches - Will Rogers)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Funny thing is last week the GSA stated the election was not certified and THE LIAR IN CHARGE knows it thats why he went crying to the US Taxpayers to pay for his staff.
Until Trump states the election was won by Mr Dementia it stands as a uncertified election. Trump has enough money to fight this case an he is 1 fight at a time...Go read the constitution.


36 posted on 01/31/2022 9:36:12 AM PST by electricjack (Hello I am from the govt an here to help you Ugh worst thing I ever heard..)
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To: Macoozie

BINGO!!!


37 posted on 01/31/2022 9:37:18 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: sam_whiskey

I have heard lawyers on both sides of this. I side with those who say that Pence’s authority was more limited. What is truly irresponsible is saying that Trump is responsible for violence simply by expressing an opinion shared by many lawyers and politicians.


38 posted on 01/31/2022 9:37:21 AM PST by jimfree (My 19 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
The Constitution does indeed clearly define the role and powers and does not grant the Vice President any such authority.

You cannot require an office and then declare it has no authority.

39 posted on 01/31/2022 9:41:13 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: sam_whiskey

any day now Trump will tell us he found the missing strawberries….


40 posted on 01/31/2022 9:42:03 AM PST by wny ( )
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