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To: LibertyWoman

I really dislike the anecdotes, both pro-vax as in this case, and anti-vax so common around here.

The DATA says that most people with COVID who are critically ill or who die are unvaccinated. This is certainly true in my practice.

Study the facts, make your own decision. But don’t do it because a vaccinated or an unvaccinated person died.


3 posted on 01/04/2022 11:23:55 AM PST by Jim Noble (The nation cannot be saved until the GOP is destroyed)
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To: Jim Noble

I really appreciate your even-handed take on vax. I haven’t gotten the vax, and am currently recovering from the WuFlu. It has basically been an extended head cold. Hopefully it continues like this.

A huge problem that we are having as a country is the result of our having destroyed the credibility of almost every institution. In the case of the vaccine, comparing the U.S. to foreign data shows that something isn’t right, and either we are fudging our data, or foreign countries are fudging their data. This discrepancy is true both as to the effectiveness of the vaccine and its risks.

Once you can’t trust institutions, then you are left looking in your own sphere of experience. In my sphere, I know two people dead of COVID, and three dead of clotting issues shortly after receiving the vaccine. I know 1 or 2 additional people hospitalized from COVID, and I know about 6 who were hospitalized from the vaccine, including one 18-yo male with myocardititis, and one 15-ish yo female with Bells palsy followed by a diagnosis of MS.

I wish we could trust our institutions so I could rely on a more complete data set, but I since I can’t, I’m doing the best I can.


23 posted on 01/04/2022 11:34:00 AM PST by bone52 (Now is the time we dreamed of, and you are the hero you hoped for. Carpe diem!)
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To: Jim Noble
The DATA says that most people with COVID who are critically ill or who die are unvaccinated.

Who's data?

26 posted on 01/04/2022 11:34:29 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Jim Noble

Most people here this winter, that are seriously ill with Covid, also have the flu. You can get both at the same time. My doctor told me to get my flu shot but not to worry about getting the Covid vaccine unless I wanted it. I don’t. Having both at the same time has probably been the problem for the last two years.


29 posted on 01/04/2022 11:36:00 AM PST by Tennessee Conservative (My goal in life is to be the person my dogs think I am)
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To: Jim Noble
Study the facts, make your own decision. But don’t do it because a vaccinated or an unvaccinated person died.

There are morons on both sides of this issue.

30 posted on 01/04/2022 11:36:16 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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To: Jim Noble

Sorry, any DATA that people don’t agree with is ‘Fake News’.

/s


34 posted on 01/04/2022 11:37:43 AM PST by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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To: Jim Noble

Speaking of facts, can you tell me what the ingredients in the vaccine are?


37 posted on 01/04/2022 11:38:38 AM PST by The Fop (God Bless Donald Trump, Frank Sinatra, Joacn Rivers, and the Fightin' Rat Pack Wing of the GOP)
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To: Jim Noble

“Study the facts, make your own decision. But don’t do it because a vaccinated or an unvaccinated person died.”
Yep, I wish other governors had the same take as Abbott, DeSantis and Noem do. Make decisions for yourself.


42 posted on 01/04/2022 11:41:43 AM PST by wjcsux (RIP Rush Limbaugh 12 Jan 1951- 17 Feb 2021. We really miss you. 😢)
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To: Jim Noble

There is very little reliable DATA concerning COVID illness and deaths. The tests are iffy, the reporting and compiling of DATA is suspect.


47 posted on 01/04/2022 11:42:58 AM PST by Savage Rider
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To: Jim Noble

The unvaccinated are dying & in the ICU at a 10 times higher rate.


51 posted on 01/04/2022 11:44:25 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Jim Noble
Some recent data from the UK:


54 posted on 01/04/2022 11:46:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: Jim Noble

“The DATA says that most people with COVID who are critically ill or who die are unvaccinated.”

Can you post some data that definitively and objectively shows that to be true?


56 posted on 01/04/2022 11:47:51 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Jim Noble
I really dislike the anecdotes, both pro-vax as in this case, and anti-vax so common around here.

Oh? Does it say that this person was unvaxxed? It just says that she was against the mandates. Sounds more like a wishful-karma post from the same leftist ghouls that celebrate when their perceived enemies die from daring to speak out against their narrative.
70 posted on 01/04/2022 12:02:51 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Jim Noble

A California deputy district attorney and rising Republican star who slammed vaccine mandates a month ago at a Turning Point USA rally has died from complications of the virus.

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So, Dr. Noble, my first question of you concerning the above statement is WHO SAYS? she died of Covid? Your a doctor, isn’t the only way to tell conclusively that she died by Covid an autopsy? If such a statement is coming from a news reporter, and it appears it is, it’s worthless to those of us lay folks out here trying to evaluate what the hell to do.

If, on the other hand, the statement comes from a named Doctor, it will have some value to the general public although Doctor’s seem to be all over the lot on the issue too.


81 posted on 01/04/2022 12:14:23 PM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: Jim Noble

I know that I am repeating myself, but I think people should consider the fact that when the China virus first became known, there was a panic response by virtually every nation’s leader. I believe they were told something about this virus that scared the crap out of them. As far as I am aware, none has shared this information.


85 posted on 01/04/2022 12:18:41 PM PST by hanamizu
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To: Jim Noble
The DATA says that most people with COVID who are critically ill or who die are ....

The DATA says no such thing.

That is because there is no DATA, only anecdotes, including yours.

The anecdotes are wildly contradictory. They may all be accurate, but we are dealing with something that has extremely large variation in the outcomes. And there is malicious intention and biased selection behind the presentation of many anecdotes.

The only institutions with access to DATA and incentives for accurate, unbiased DATA are the life and health insurance companies. They haven't been publicizing their findings until very recently. What they have been muttering about in the actuarial trade publications for the last two years looks extremely bad and does not support the vaccination narrative at all.

What a significant insurance company has just publicly said about the "all-cause" mortality statistics for the last year (up 50%+ in the 18-60 age group) strongly suggests (12-sigma) that we have just doomed two thirds of this country to early death. From the mRNA treatments. It will show up as a huge increase in cardiac problems, strokes, embolisms, and miscarriages for age groups where these never used to occur with any frequency.

These are already showing up in "the DATA".

127 posted on 01/04/2022 1:02:08 PM PST by flamberge (Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear)
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To: Jim Noble

The DATA says that most people with COVID who are critically ill or who die are unvaccinated. This is certainly true in my practice


US data, which has been demonstrated over and over to be very inaccurate.

Many European countries have reported the opposite. Germany and England have reported that over 90% of patients hospitalized have had the jab.

How do you explain the huge increase in death claims reported by the insurance companies? One week’s spike is not significant. but two quarters (six month’s) means something major is taking place and it can not be explained by anything other than the jab. I say that because the insane pressure over the jab is the only significant health event to take place in the US in the last two years.

Occam’s Razor is not always the way to truth, but is is so often that it is the first place to start.


135 posted on 01/04/2022 1:12:52 PM PST by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so bad that the federal government can not make worse.)
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To: Jim Noble
I really dislike the anecdotes, both pro-vax as in this case, and anti-vax so common around here.

The DATA says that most people with COVID who are critically ill or who die are unvaccinated. This is certainly true in my practice.

Study the facts, make your own decision. But don’t do it because a vaccinated or an unvaccinated person died.

Good, thoughtful comments.

Personally, I'm not against being vaccinated, but I'm very much against mandates.

141 posted on 01/04/2022 1:22:02 PM PST by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: Jim Noble

You believe their DATA?


175 posted on 01/04/2022 3:05:19 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'll wear a mask when Dr. Fraudchi shuts the hell up.)
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