Posted on 12/03/2021 5:43:02 AM PST by marcusmaximus
You can youtube single action going off half cocked. It’s a common and known issue with those types of old guns. Any competent attorney is going to load blanks in that very gun in the court room pull the hammer back to half.cock and let it go. When it goes bang without his finger anywhere near that trigger he will have demonstrated what weapons competent people have known for nearly 140 years that single action revolvers are dangerous when the hammer is not seated on one of two sears. This issue cause a complete redesign of the firing mechanisms that all modern revolvers now use. It won’t be luck it will be sound science and legal practice to designate what has been known for so long.
Thanks. Many folks have never heard your explanation before and it’s exactly why Baldwin will be held responsible.
I inherited my great grandfather’s single action Colt 45 50 years ago. From the day my father handed me the revolver, he drilled the mechanics of the single action revolver ad nauseam and always said to carry the weapon with an empty chamber under the hammer. That old Colt shoot great and guess what…it’s never gone off and killed anyone…yet.
Yes. And the actor is absolutely part of the process, obligated to ensure any gun in hand is either empty, non functional, or loaded with blanks (with due respect given to distance). Also must know how the gun will operate, with any safety quirks (such as can “go off half cocked” like this one did).
“No that’s called a single action revolver without modern firing pin trigger safety block going off half cocked. This is the origin of the term going off half cocked. Original colt single action and their derivatives all share this safety issue. If the hammer is pulled back but is not engaged to the past the half cocked or full cocked sears and it is released it will under spring pressure fall back forward with considerable speed usually enough when the foreign pin is struck to light off the cartridge.”
So it sounds like Baldwin could be telling the truth (for once).
I can’t say this clearly enough; Baldwin shot and killed that woman. He just admitted as much.
First generation single action revolvers lack hammer bar safety systems or other forms of firing pin blocks. This going off from half cock was why those were designed in the first place. I have a 1965 colt replica and it will go off 8 or ten times when the hammer is pulled to just as the half cock sear is reached and let go. This means if you pull the hammer back expecting to get half cock but don’t full seat it and let go and the hammer falls back down it absolutely will.set the round in the chamber off. People.often ask why half.cock then? You have to go to half cock to release the cylinder to freely rotate under the feed door with these era revolvers. Once you feed in rounds you then go to full cock to fire or very gently while holding the hammer pull the trigger and guide the hammer back down to it’s unlocked resting place. This now leaves a live round under that hammer with no safety between it and the hammer if you pull that hammer back to anything under half cock locked on th at sear and let it go that hammer will swing back down on that live round usually resulting in bad news.
Pulling the hammer and releasing like that is the same effect/outcome as pulling the trigger. It’s like saying I’m not guilty of running over all those people because I was not in forward gear, I was in reverse gear and ran them all down behind me.
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It depends on which version of a six you have. Some are the C-O-L-T type (4 distinct positions where you can actually hear what’s going on). Others are only 2-position type. But with the ones that have a true firing pin I guess it’s possible for the hammer to drop down and hit a primer with a lighter strike. Would have to look at the particular type of pistol he was using...
A couple of posters yesterday put out some pretty good info regarding the replica pistol used.
“Since the 1960s, most film makers have used replicas made in Italy. The one Baldwin had was a new replica made by Italian gun-maker Pietta. They and Uberti produce dozens of replica versions of Old West firearms from pocket pistols to revolvers to rifles of all”
“As a poster noted some but not all have modern safety features like a transfer bar to prevent the revolver from firing without pulling the trigger.”
So it was a Replica Pietta, which uses transfer bars...
However, Pietta has manufactured exact replica actions from the time period.
I still am unclear and other posters on this thread brought up some very good points like “you never point a gun at anybody” safety.
Worn halfcock notches has been mentioned, and I think several people might be checking out their single actions to see if there’s anywhere along that hammer path allowing a hammer strike if released. I don’t think so.
John Schneider chimed in on the medias building narrative and portrayal of Smart-Alec as a victim, little Georgie’s interview is a reveal.
And as appropriately mentioned by another poster, “why doesn’t Alec Baldwin’s lawyer tell him to shut up”
Is Baldwin a psychopath? Is Baldwin a narcissist? What is Baldwin? He’s obviously an actor because Stephanopoulos interview clearly demonstrates.
I’d love to see some legal precedence on that do you have case numbers and justifications?
Michael Massee would disagree with you. He is the actor that shot with a live round Brandon Lee during the filming of the Crow. He was never charged because he like most actors is not in the protocol chain. Please provide cases to back your position. I just provided the most well known case for mine.
Baldwin didn’t check thecondition of the gun violating all firearms safety protocols. Then he co led a loaded gun pulling the hammer back and aimed at the victim firing the gun. The gun is not at fault.
His lawyer told him to do it and guided him in doing it.
He’s trying to present his case before prospective jurors - a jury hopefully made up of liberal anti-gun women and beta males.
It won’t work.
Let me on that jury, it’s my turn for jury duty.
An NRA training class would have helped him understand how he killed her.
Homicide by definition is one human killing another. Unintentional homicide,justifiable homicide, negligent homicide,intentional homicide,malice homicide are all homicides some will get you life in prison others carry no criminal penalty at all. Michael Massee accidentally killed Brandon Lee on set with a live round he was never charged let alone convicted in that a accidental homicide. He was filming the Crow and pointed and shot a live 44 caliber round into Brandon Lee let me say it again he wasn’t even charged why? It was not his responsibility to verify he was holding a cold weapon. The grand jury in sure heard this and returned a no bill. As much as some people hate Alex I would expect a grand jury to also return a no bill on Alec as at the time he was in the role of actor not director and there was an active and in charge director on set along with an armor both of who I would expect at least negligence charges to be given a true bill on.
Went off half cocked. Should have not had a round in the chamber. Not a live round!
Who.wants to lay odds the gun is a accurate historical replica with the original hammer mechanism and not the modern recreation with the transfer bar. Given what was described in the account of the discharge I’ll wager 100 to 1 it’s the real deal version. Which as I can demonstrate with my own personal historically accurate piece it will fire from half.cocked the majority of.times
“Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza identified the gun used in the shooting as a modern Pietta replica of a single-action army revolver. Those guns can be bought either with a transfer bar that makes it impossible for the firing pin to strike the primer unless the trigger is pulled or without one. Often, enthusiasts and collectors prefer the models without modern safety devices because it’s more authentic and perfectly safe when handled properly”
He just admitted to murder.
This is also why you don’t carry an old revolver with a live round in the chamber if half cocked wasn’t bad enough a good rear impact or drop could also set it off.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=155&v=ldHPNnsp-cs&feature=youtu.be
There old guns have a live firing pin under a loose hammer it’s a recipe for disaster. I also only carry any period piece with one less than its capacity while on my waist
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