Posted on 11/30/2021 8:01:30 AM PST by Red Badger
Hal Holbrook's "Mark Twain Tonight" featured this story (abbreviated and paraphrased):
"I was taken ill once, and sought the advice of a doctor. He told me to drink a quart of whisky a day until the illness passed. I thought that was good advice, but nevertheless felt it prudent to seek a second opinion. Well, that doctor prescribed the same thing. That made half a gallon. I'd been drunk before, but that was a masterpiece!"
Natural immunity studies are nearly impossible. A vax injection is precisely known as to exact day of the event. A naturally acquired infection and any immunity derived from it will not be known as to day of the event.
The best that can be done is the date of the PCR test that indicated an actual infection. Quite a few of these “natural immunity” studies are people who never got a specific PCR test but felt ill and “I just knew I got the virus” sort of people.
With all these uncertainties, you will never get a study of decent quality. Further, the general idea is to NOT get the infection and risk death — just to declare you have natural immunity.
VA in my area gave J&J in March. The gave it locally and we didn’t have to drive the 50 miles to the VA Hospital. According to this post my Vax status has been near zero for the last 7 months. The VA has said little about boosters and are not offering any locally.
Hence the recommendations for a booster at six months.
Which will become a recommendation for a booster every six months in perpetuity.
“Washing hands probably helps stop colds, flu, Covid more than anything.“
You are correct. The single greatest invention hummanity ever produced, in stopping viruses, was the invention of soap. Number two is not even close.
Impossible to know that.
After the six month dose of hepatitis B vaccine, do people have boosters AT ALL, never mind every six months?
Why should this be different?
Ditto all, except I’m in Texas. No mask, no issues. And I won’t get a booster.
Except for flu vaccines, which have to be tailored for the "best guess" of which flu strains and mutations that will occur in the coming flu season.
That is completely incorrect. Small pox vaccines have also not been given out since 1972 after eradication.
Why should this be different?
The Hep B vaccine isn't an mRNA vaccine. This class of vaccines are uncharted waters as far as prolonged efficacy is concerned.
Clearly two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or one shot of the J&J Jab isn't enough to impart lifelong immunity. The immunity drops off after six months. Why would you not expect a third (or second J&J) jab to perform any differently?
Oh, that’s dealing with the dark arts. Such knowledge is forbidden.
I would think some data could be gathered from positive PCR tests as the starting point.
This is a good study, but... I hate their conclusions. Scientist should deliver science, NOT try to dictate public policy. There is NOTHING in this paper that justifies vaccinating children. Why would they even mention that?
My folks got smallpox vaccinations when they were toddlers. First time they went overseas (as teens), they had to get booster shots for smallpox. Both had side effects, too; relatively minor inflammation. Mom can still be provoked to rant about it.
Given the CEO of Moderna has said his scientists have determined the current vaccines will not stop Omicron, there is likely no hurry for getting a booster.
This guy had balls. The happy talk people are more interested in the stock market than keeping people alive. This guy just flat out said there must be a new vaccine because Omicron will overwhelm the current ones. “A degree of protection” can be 2%, not 90%.
Another useless study from limited data. If the reported data is not reliable because it is subjective, or because a certain portion is not being reported, you cannot usefully analyze the data presented. GIGO.
Protection against death for Pfizer is around 85%... isn’t the survivability of COVID itself around 98 - 99% depending on age?
Somebody tell me what I’m missing here.
This study doesn’t just measure the fall-off in effectiveness. It measures effectiveness against the intervening factor, emergence of the more-contagious delta variant. Moderna either had good luck or a superior chemical strategy, but Moderna outperformed the other vaccines hands down.
So when you see studies showing poor vaccine performance, especially in places which didn’t vaccinate with Moderna, the numbers are not, NOT reflective of what is happening in the United States, or in places which started using Moderna.
My family and I read the material from the start and predicted this outcome. We chose Moderna, and are glad we did. We have not contracted COVID-19. All bets are off for the nu omicron variant.
Well, except for polio which requires 4 shots, and tetanus which requires a booster every 10 years, and typhoid which lasts 2-5 years, etc., etc., etc.
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