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If I had to speculate, this section is the Bidet Administration's firewall against SCOTUS striking this down, because in Jacobson v Massachusetts, there was a $5 fine/"alternative" to getting the vaccination.

Thus, by having the testing alternative, Bidet can argue that, like in Jacobson, there is an alternative to getting these shots. You know, those things that, unlike the smallpox vaccine in 1905, haven't been around for a while.

1 posted on 11/05/2021 8:31:36 PM PDT by DoodleBob
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There is a SmartNews Salon story that says ERs are getting flooded with conditions that aren’t given standard diagnostic names.


2 posted on 11/05/2021 8:39:25 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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Jacobson vrs Mass specifically refers to the court needs to show deference to a State legislative authority

It has no bearing on a Federal Executive order attempting to extralegilsatively expand a Government Agencies authority into a whole new area of enforcement. There is no legislative base to anchor this mandate on. It all make believe and wishful thinking

The Leftist blabbering squad in the Lying Media likes to throw this case out there with zero actually understanding of what it actually says.


3 posted on 11/05/2021 8:46:03 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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The inconsistency of course is that ANYBODY can have Covid. Well, maybe a few people have some total immunity.
So BESIDES wear-the-mask-all-the-time we should just consider: How about semi-weekly covid testing.
THINK OF THE LIVES IT WILL SAVE. (Laffing my Nigerian butt off!!)


4 posted on 11/05/2021 8:46:26 PM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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Why does a “fully vaccinated” (whatever that means) worker, who according to the CDC can spread COVID-19 as easily as an unvaccinated person, not have to get tested as frequently? How does a worker who receives the J&J or Moderna vax fall under the same classification in the EO as someone who was vaccinated with the only FDA approved vaccine? If this is such a grave threat why did this order take so long and why is the first EO deadline being postponed?


5 posted on 11/05/2021 8:46:58 PM PDT by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

No EOs, not made up expansion of Government regulatory authority with no legal basis for their action. Jacobson vrs Mass specifically refers to STATE LAWS. Legislative action duly taken by appropriate legislative bodies.

7 posted on 11/05/2021 8:51:19 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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There were only a small number of vaccines available in 1905 - smallpox, rabies, typhoid, plague and diptheria and one other.

As I remember the case Jacobson had already been vaccinated and had a bad reaction. It was probably against smallpox.


8 posted on 11/05/2021 8:52:03 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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First of all, I’d make the case that the Jacobson ruling was effectively voided by Roe v. Wade (how ironic is that).

Secondly, I see this stupid monstrosity as just one more affirmation to support the wise decision I made in June 2020 to shut down my company’s office and go to a 100% work-from-home arrangement for my staff. I don’t give a crap if any of them are “vaccinated,” and I never will.

9 posted on 11/05/2021 8:52:25 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest, ‘til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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OSHA, I would like to report that Wal-Mart is endangering its employees by letting unvaccinated customers into its stores.


10 posted on 11/05/2021 8:54:13 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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The vaccinated employees will clock out and then interact with unmasked, unvaccinated persons.

Employment mask mandates are silly.


11 posted on 11/05/2021 9:00:14 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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This rule is arbitrary.

The term arbitrary describes a course of action or a decision that is not based on reason or judgment but on personal will or discretion without regard to rules or standards.

Can the unvaccinated get Covid, and/or be hospitalized, and or suffer long term damage from Covid? yes.

Can the vaccinated also get Covid, and/or be hospitalized, and or suffer long term damage from Covid? yes.

We know this because both the vaccinated and unvaccinated are showing up to the hospitals ER.

So the distinction between the two has no difference. The testing requirement should apply to all employees.


12 posted on 11/05/2021 9:00:42 PM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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This rule is arbitrary.

The term arbitrary describes a course of action or a decision that is not based on reason or judgment but on personal will or discretion without regard to rules or standards.

Can the unvaccinated get Covid, and/or be hospitalized, and or suffer long term damage from Covid? yes.

Can the vaccinated also get Covid, and/or be hospitalized, and or suffer long term damage from Covid? yes.

We know this because both the vaccinated and unvaccinated are showing up to the hospitals ER.

So the distinction between the two has no difference. The testing requirement should apply to all employees.


13 posted on 11/05/2021 9:00:47 PM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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A vaccinated Wal-Mart cashier will have hundreds of times more interactions with unvaccinated people than would a typical vaccinated office worker.


15 posted on 11/05/2021 9:07:48 PM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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that was a state law not federal...


17 posted on 11/05/2021 9:18:46 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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I blame the vaxxers. If they weren’t such wussy weak sheep, this would never be happening.


19 posted on 11/05/2021 9:27:32 PM PDT by roving
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Jacobson v Massachusetts was not about the federal government. It was about state government (specifically the state legislature).


20 posted on 11/05/2021 9:36:27 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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(A) Must be tested for COVID-19 at least once every 7 days; and

(B) Must provide documentation of the most recent COVID-19 test result to the employer no later than the 7th day following the date on which the employee last provided a test result.

(C)

21 posted on 11/05/2021 10:48:30 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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Isn't OSHA a “health and safety” organization?

They use Ethylene Oxide to “sterilize” the swabs, a potential carcinogen according to the EPA. What are the risks of continual and repeated long term exposure to the residual on swabs? Avoid these worthless tests like the plague.

“Ethylene oxide is a colorless, flammable gas at room temperature and a liquid below 51 degrees Fahrenheit. It's used to make chemicals for industrial, personal care products and consumer goods. Manufacturers also use it to sterilize some medical devices. Exposure can cause headaches, nausea, diarrhea, difficulty breathing and other problems. Long-term exposure can cause cancer in humans.”

https://www.consumernotice.org/environmental/ethylene-oxide/#:~:text=Side%20effects%20of%20ethylene%20oxide%20exposure%20may%20include%3A,and%20lungs%2010%20Memory%20loss%20More%20items...%20

“Overview of Ethylene Oxide (EO or EtO) Residuals
Sterilizing medical devices with ethylene oxide (EO) is a common practice primarily due to its extensive material compatibility. The main side effect of using EO as a sterilization agent is that it can leave a residue on the devices being processed. The residues that may be found after processing are as follows:

Ethylene Oxide (EO) – the residue that may remain after processing has been completed
Ethylene Chlorohydrin (ECH) – the residue that may form when EO comes into contact with free chloride ions
Ethylene Glycol (EG) – the residue that may form when EO comes into contact with water

The residues can be harmful to the end user or patient so it is important that all devices meet the limits set forth in the AAMI 10993-7 standard. The limits will vary depending upon the intended use of the device so there are three main categories a device may fall under: Limited Use, Prolonged Use and Permanent Use. In addition, there are several special device categories that have their own unique set of limits. Devices that do not have patient contact are not required to meet this standard. The table at the bottom of this page, extracted from the AAMI 10993-7 standard, provides a summary of the various categories and their limits...”

https://www.steris-ast.com/techtip/overview-ethylene-oxide-residuals/

22 posted on 11/05/2021 10:52:51 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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Guess who’s getting into the “testing” business!

7/19/21

“George Soros And Bill Gates’ Backed Consortium To Buy U.K. Maker Of Covid Tests For $41 Million”

“Billionaires George Soros and Bill Gates are part of a consortium set to buy Mologic, a U.K.-based maker of Covid tests, in an effort to increase access to “affordable state-of-the-art medical technology” around the world, according to a statement released Monday.

The Soros Economic Development Fund and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation announced the launch of a new initiative, Global Access Health (GAH), aiming to strengthen the global rollout saving medical technology and the subsequent acquisition of Mologic Ltd, best known today for the deep-nostril technology used to deliver rapid Covid-19 tests...”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddawkins/2021/07/19/george-soros-and-bill-gates-backed-consortium-to-buy-uk-maker-of-covid-lateral-flow-tests-for-41-million/?sh=e6fae6c2687e


23 posted on 11/05/2021 10:57:47 PM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3, Revelation 20, Joshua 24:15, 1 Kings 18:16-39, Pick a side...)
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its unconstitutional

and unscientific

vaxxed people can be infected and transmit covid just as easily as an unvaxxed person

the shot makers all admit their shots dont prevent infection and transmission

its totally hypocritical and unscientific to not test the vaxxed people if they truly care about the health of people and want to identify infected/transmissable people

there is no difference in vaxxed or unvaxxed, both groups can catch it and infect others


25 posted on 11/06/2021 1:01:41 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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It may not apply to independent contractors.


26 posted on 11/06/2021 4:51:38 AM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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