Posted on 10/07/2021 5:58:41 PM PDT by RandFan
He also dominated the GOP primaries by winning many states where he ended up losing big to Hillary — like the west coast, New England, New York, New Jersey, etc.
Trump actually lost many of the most heavily Republican states — especially in the Great Plains and Rocky Mountain states.
Thanks for me stupid. Asshole.
Works for me, but it seems to be very hard to accomplish.
Some folks don’t even buy into the term RINO. They’re just
not up to speed. Election time comes around, and they vote
for the same idiot that undercut their interest over and
over.
Trump won. Hillary lost. Funny how the Sad Bushies can’t get over the fact that their Designated Loser Jeb flopped before he was supposed to.
You don’t understand Trump’s support. Reagan Republicans, Anderson and Perot Independents, working class Democrats (the core of Bill Clinton’s base), the non voter or those who had never voted or who were so disheartened by politics they had stopped voting. You obviously didn’t see the Pennsylvania or Florida or Ohio or Michigan rallies, just tepid GOP diehards? It was electric among the individuals of the aforementioned groups that I know. I’ve followed it closely since Goldwater and I’d never seen anything like it before. One thing for sure, you’ll never see it again. That’s the tragedy for my grandchildren. The one and only opportunity was pissed away.
These people aren’t Republicans. I have no idea what they are, but I know they ain’t Republicans. And thank God for that.
In 2016, the state where Trump won by his largest margin of victory over Clinton was West Virginia. West Virginia had more registered Democrats than Republicans in 2016.
Since October 2016 I’ve been to EIGHT Trump rallies. How about you?
I have no doubt about the core of Trump’s support. It is intense, but it is dominant in rural areas and small towns across America. Look at your population figures and see how few people actually live in these places.
There’s a reason why these feckless Republican losers in Washington keep getting elected. It’s because most Americans are perfectly comfortable being ruled by people like that.
Exceptionalism runs strong among Trump’s supporters. That’s why there aren’t 80 million of them.
Blah, blah, blah, it’s because they are backstabbing feckless REPUBLICANS. That’s it, plain and simple. Quit electing Republicans to get rid of Feckless DC Republicans! 95% of DC Republicans are the ones behind the destruction of MAGA. You go right ahead electing Republicans and hoping for the best. I was just that stupid for fifty years. I’m sure I’m still up one on you.
Some would call that an attitude. Some would refer to it as
a stark reality. In addition to the things I mentioned in my
prior response, there's also a dynamic akin to trying to herd
cats, when you start up a new party. Everyone is sure they
have the ideal outline. If you don't follow exactly what
they had in mind, they start to splinter off ripping you to
shreds, to anyone who will listen. Then again, if you do
listen to one guy, others get miffed. "You don't know what
you're doing because you listened to him." It's very
destructive.
Let me ask you this. You saw how both parties fought
Trump tooth and nail. Do you think he would have more
support on Capital Hill or less with no fellow Third Party
people there?
Would you like to see Trump get his second term and then
not be able to do a single things helpful to the cause?
The one opportunity to accomplish a real SECOND party could have
been realized shortly after the coup. Had Trump denounced the DC
GOP as co-conspirators in the coup, he would have hit the ground
running with the greatest number of individual supporters in US
history. You, me, most of 80+ million would have been mobilized.
We had a chance. Now the regime and its GOP allies have
consolidated control and are in the process of unleashing all
the state’s internal security assets against us and any other
political threat they perceive. Trump, playing patty cake with
these Judases, only makes the process so much easier for them.
My thoughts ran along the same lines as yours.
Right after the election, there was a sense that things
had to change. I thought that was the time to strike,
if a third party was going to happen. It didn't.
Trump is astute enough to know there is a swamp, but
I don't think he grasps how he is playing into their
hands. Playing along with the RNC GOPe, does nothing
more than give them cover to keep doing what they have
been doing for decades.
I wish I had an answer for you, but unless the RP pulls
its head out and gets with the program, I don't see much
real improvements.
Our leaders are still willing to make compromises, and
Trump remains in a state of mind that seems to reveal
he still thinks he can negotiate his way to success.
Yeah sure. They'll glad hand him and continue what
Still, there is only so much the rank and file can do.
Remember, this is the party that gladly tossed aside the
chance to have Judge Roy Moore enter the Senate, a man
that would have voted Conservative 99.9999% of the time.
That scared the hell out of them.
You and I aren't that far apart. I just recognize the
difficulty of implementing a new party effort at this
point.
In everything I’ve posted on this thread, what gave you the impression that this is what I’ll be doing?
Go back and take a look at how Trump actually beat McConnell and the Uniparty at its own game in getting John Ratcliffe confirmed. Trump could have used temporary appointments like this every time. “Confirm my man or deal with my Grenell type troop of real swamp killing temporaries”, would have been a game changer. But that’s all in past, Trump has been destroyed by the Republican Party, never to play a meaningful role again. The GOP has slowly boiled all of us conservatives. I jumped out of the pot in January but I’m already cooked. I have no answers as to how to successfully restart a third party after MAGA and Trump were destroyed and the fascists took over internal security. You tell me what you expect life in America to be like in ten years under our current two party, Uniparty (R) and Uniparty (D), system. The GOP is NOT the answer. Look at what the party is responsible for over the past ten years. After watching the Constitution being destroyed and the fascists strutting about DC, what the hell do you have left to lose by deserting the Uniparty (R)?
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