Posted on 09/30/2021 9:38:12 AM PDT by rellimpank
As state and federal laws meant to bring ghost guns into compliance with traditional firearm laws await implementation, local officials and prosecutors across California are increasingly resorting to bans and lawsuits to regulate the weapons in their cities.
On 7 September, San Francisco became the first California city to pass a ban on ghost guns – weapons built from firearm parts sold without serial numbers, making them difficult to trace. The measure forbids the sale of unserialized weapons and weapon parts by unlicensed dealers.
A week after San Francisco’s board of supervisors unanimously passed its ban, San Diego’s city council voted 8-1 to codify one of its own. That ordinance prohibits the sale of unserialized frames and receivers, two essential pieces of firearms, and forces retailers to complete a background check on customers that buy the parts.
“Ghost guns are the future of the industry and we’re going to have to catch up with our legal interventions,” said the San Diego city councilmember Marni von Wilpert, who introduced the ban. “We’re trying to pressure manufacturers to not let people who are prohibited buyers from getting these guns.”
(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...
“The measure forbids the sale of unserialized weapons and weapon parts by unlicensed dealers.”
You can make the gun for yourself but cannot sell it. That’s the way it’s been for years.
I would say I saw some of them the other day but apparently they are, well, like ghosts.
Anyone else remember “Saturday Night Specials” from the 70’s?
Same song, different tune.
“Ghost guns” ARE in compliance with traditional firearm laws. That’s why they are legal.
It is already illegal to sell unserialized receivers. Hence “80% lowers”.
I’m certain the fact checkers will be all over this.
It’s been that way for about 245 years.
No, as the article later clarifies:
That ordinance prohibits the sale of unserialized frames and receivers, two essential pieces of firearms, and forces retailers to complete a background check on customers that buy the parts.
You can make the gun for yourself but cannot sell it.
No, it is legal to sell a self-manufactured firearm as a private citizen to another private citizen, as long as you are not "engaged in the business" of firearms manufacture. Sell one per year, you're probably OK. Sell 30 a month, you're not.
Time for me to consider buying the CNC machine that will print these out.
https://ghostgunner.net/
How do you ban something that doesn’t exist?
“traditional firearm laws” meant the Government stayed out of what people owned, up till 1934 and 1968.
You could make your own rifle, shotgun or handgun back then.
$2500? Maybe if it came with the model...
You might pay that much for 2 guns. This thing will print out dozens of them.
I thought “Ghost guns” were 3d printable weapons made from non metallic products?
Why now just get an 80% lower and use a drill press, dremel and the jig? You get the same thing, just a little less pretty.
Indeed. By definition they are not “firearms”. Gonna be rather hard to prosecute, but likely rather easy to harass and harangue folks.
Ghost guns are untraceable guns. Whether it’s from filing down the serial numbers or making them at home or 3D printing them, the definition applies to all of them.
Guns used to ALL be made at home, during the revolutionary war and for many in the Civil War. Winchester, Colt, and a couple of others changed that.
I used to have about 5 of those. All manufactured and sold without registration or a check from 1954 and older. They got rusty though falling in the salt water and now they decorate a reef somewhere between Vancouver Island and the San Juans of Washington State. Sad thing that boating accident.
I wouldn’t mind arranging a private diving expedition to recover a couple items from your “boating accident”.
Traditional firearms laws dating back to 1968, prior to that GCA, serial numbers were not required.
I’ve been trying to snag them while fishing, but the Tribes keep the fishing season so short.
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