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1 posted on 09/24/2021 7:09:44 AM PDT by Red Badger
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The city would load money onto a debit card that wouldn’t allow the purchase of a list of forbidden items like alcohol and tobacco.

So you can't abuse these ebt cards, like buying $100 of ground beef for the local restaurant you work at for %80 cash in return?

2 posted on 09/24/2021 7:13:34 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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I first read about UBI in 1974, a piece of sci-fi called the Forever War by Joe Haldeman. I’m surprised it took this long to become reality.


3 posted on 09/24/2021 7:13:59 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Peace to you and may God Bless you.)
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The left is testing how much ransom needs to be paid to insure compliance when they declare totalitarian control over everything.


5 posted on 09/24/2021 7:17:54 AM PDT by Track9 (Liberalism is a far worse virus. )
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...aaaaand the cost of living goes up $1000 a month. 😜


6 posted on 09/24/2021 7:19:28 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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Wait until Communism actually arrives and the guns come out to demand of these same people Universal Basic Productivity.


7 posted on 09/24/2021 7:19:48 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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"... the funds would be limited toward “basic household necessities” such as housing, childcare, food and other staples. The city would load money onto a debit card that wouldn’t allow the purchase of a list of forbidden items like alcohol and tobacco."

Do the people proposing this idiocy actually BELIEVE that money isn't fungible? Do they believe that poor people are so stupid that they won't figure out how to use the free money for allowed food and the money freed up to buy beer, smokes, and Scratcher tix?

8 posted on 09/24/2021 7:20:33 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("If I’m going to get my political views from those who chase balls, I’ll ask my dog.")
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why do I have to pay for it??

if AZ wants to pizz away money let-em use STATE funds...


11 posted on 09/24/2021 7:32:38 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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The city of Chicago is considering a similar program.

Of course it is.

The name of Yang's new political party, "he Forward Party", is straight out of the communist playbook. (See Chicago, Obama, etc.)

12 posted on 09/24/2021 7:33:17 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Helping a tyrant's nation prosper can only make sense after the tyrant is removed. (See Afghanistan))
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They never give up. The public is too stupid to ask where the money comes from, and so this idea becomes acceptable.


13 posted on 09/24/2021 7:33:40 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Dethrone the ruling elite. Redistribute their wealth. Take away their power. Annul their privileges.)
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“Federally funded”

Let’s take some money from Missouri and pay our people in Arizona!

What a great idea!

Except for the people in Missouri.


14 posted on 09/24/2021 7:35:35 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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federally funded

So there will be a lucky few. What about the equal protection? Anyone want to bet the majority will be illegal aliens?
16 posted on 09/24/2021 7:37:12 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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The program is paid for by the federal American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA). The city received $196 million this year and will receive another $196 million next year.


Easy money looking for a place to land,

not a good idea looking for money.


17 posted on 09/24/2021 7:39:24 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Andy should take in a family and finance them himself.


20 posted on 09/24/2021 8:09:09 AM PDT by bgill (Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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This will cement a permanent poor/captive population that is a reliable vote.


21 posted on 09/24/2021 8:12:42 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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**in taxpayer funding**

So, they will confiscate the hard earned dollars of WORKING PEOPLE to pay these parasites.


22 posted on 09/24/2021 8:17:51 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (OUT OF FB JAIL! and back on the attack. 4 hours! Now back in FB jail-again!)
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lottery-based?

Huh?

Sickening what society has become under liberal control.

Nothing but more calls for more Welfarism, Maskism, Leninism, .. All pushed by the Left as the cure for what ails us.

It has ‘cured’ over 100 million so far, what’s a couple billion more?


25 posted on 09/24/2021 8:55:44 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!! In CONgre$$ WE're Disgusted!!)
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Phoenix to test Andrew Yang's universal basic income idea in new federally funded [??? emphasis added pilot Lottery-based pilot will give Phoenix families $1,000 in taxpayer funding a month in 2022.

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
Politically correct, Democratic vote-winning interpretations of the Constitution's General Welfare Clause aside, patriots are reminded that the states have never amended the Constitution to make things like universal basic income (UBI) a constitutionally enumerated right.
"Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

So the federal government's involvement in the front-ended "Arizona" UBI experiment amounts to an unconstitutional expansion of the already unconstitutionally big federal government's powers imo.

In fact, Justice Joseph Story had appropriately noted that the care of the poor is uniquely a state power issue.

In fact, the congressional record shows that Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had reflected on Story's clarification of the fed's limited powers by emphasizing that the Founding States had trusted the states, not the feds, with the care of the poor.

”Simply this, that the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Constitution, is in the States and not in the federal government [emphases added]. I have sought to effect no change in that respect in the Constitution of the country.” —John Bingham, Congressional. Globe. 1866, page 1292 (see top half of third column)

Justice Louis Brandis later introduced his "laboratories of democracy" metaphor to emphasize the unique 10th Amendment-protected powers of the states to explore new ways to care for the people.

"[...] a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country." —Justice Louis Brandeis, Laboratories of Democracy.

The bottom line is that, depending on the threshold of pain of a given state's taxpayers, the states are free to use their 10A-protected powers to repeatedly prove that socialist utopian UBI doesn't work, federal government funding in such time and money wasting experiments unconstitutional imo.

Insights welcome.

The ultimate remedy for unconstitutionally big, alleged election-stealing, Democratic-pirated federal government that is oppressing everybody under its boots...

Consider that all the states can effectively “secede” from the unconstitutionally big federal government by doing the following.

Patriots need to primary federal and state elected officials who don't send voters email ASAP that clearly promises to do the following.

Federal and state lawmakers need to promise in their emails to introduce resolutions no later than 100 days after start of new legislative sessions that proposes an amendment to the Constitution to the states, the amendment limited to repealing the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments.

Again, insights welcome.

27 posted on 09/24/2021 9:24:45 AM PDT by Amendment10
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So basically they robbing Peter to pay Paul.


28 posted on 09/24/2021 9:55:10 AM PDT by Mozilla
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I have lived in Phoenix all my life. While driving home from Home Depot the other day I notice how filthy our streets are. Phoenix used to be sparkling clean, now it looks like a third world city with grass and weeds growing everywhere, garbage where ever you look. Now they want to pay people extra money for nothing. How about paying them to clean things up?


30 posted on 09/24/2021 10:09:34 AM PDT by McGavin999 (biden is not my president)
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This has been done before - utter failure.

Bud of mine was on UBI in Seattle back in the 70s. Even he agreed it was a waste...


31 posted on 09/24/2021 10:21:42 AM PDT by ASOC (This space for rent)
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