Posted on 09/23/2021 4:38:14 AM PDT by sevinufnine
The Pentagon ordered all service members to get vaccinated last month and didn't rule out a court martial for those who don't. More than 800,000 service members out of around 1.4 million still needed to get their shots at the time of the mandate, according to Pentagon data. But during the budget bill's markup under the House Armed Services Committee, an amendment, now section 716, proposed by Rep. Mark Green, R-Tenn., made its way into the bill that prohibited 'any discharge but honorable' for vaccine refusal. 'I am appalled that the Biden Administration is trying to remove my amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that prevents anything but an honorable discharge for service members who refuse to get the COVID-19 vaccine,' Green said in a statement to DailyMail.com. 'This was a bipartisan amendment — every Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee agreed to it.'
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hopespringseternal wrote: “Especially when you cherry pick the data and only consider the short term.”
That is exactly what the anti-vaxxers have been doing for months.
hopespringseternal wrote: “Start looking past FDA/CDC official lies mandated by the Biden admin and your delusions will be destroyed.”
The ones telling the lies are the anti-vaxxer propaganda websites like Childrenshealthdefense or America’s front line doctors.
That is exactly what the anti-vaxxers have been doing for months.
Like declining to count most breakthrough cases?
Ignoring the fact that some places have very few cases and deaths?
Ignoring the mutation pattern of the virus? (read the conclusion)
The ones telling the lies are the anti-vaxxer propaganda websites like Childrenshealthdefense or America’s front line doctors.
Wow, looking at the links above, there sure seem to be a lot of anti-vax researchers publishing in a lot of different scientific journals, newspapers, entire countries, etc.
None of these people are anti-vax. They just aren't drinking the Biden/Pfizer Kool-aid.
hopespringseternal wrote: “Especially when you cherry pick the data and only consider the short term.”
You posted several links which do not support your allegations. For example:
Like declining to count most breakthrough cases?
That link only explains how CDC defines a breakthrough case. It does not support your allegation that the CDC is declining to count breakthrough cases. The fact that you prefer a different definition does not invalidate the CDC definition.
Dismissing natural immunity?
This link does not in any way dismiss natural immunity. Instead it provides a comprehensive review of natural immunity, it’s strengths and weakness.
All of your links have similar weaknesses and do not support your allegations.
Now, answer me this:
- why would millions of health care professionals world wide be complicit in a conspiracy to distribute a vaccine that results in millions of deaths world wide?
- if millions are indeed complicit, then why haven’t at least tens of thousands confessed to this conspiracy?
- are you aware that the great majority of anti-vaxxer misinformation comes from a limited number (12) sources/individuals?
- do you realize that those are spreading this misinformation, are profiting from their actions?
The link shows that the CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases unless they wound up dead or hospitalized. The significance is they were trying to hide the decline of vaccine effectiveness.
Tell me why we are discussing booster shots if the vaccine effectiveness is not declining?
All of your links have similar weaknesses and do not support your allegations.
Couldn't come up with an argument against them, so you just wave your hand and pretend.
why would millions of health care professionals world wide be complicit in a conspiracy to distribute a vaccine that results in millions of deaths world wide?
Show me where I made that claim. You are simply making baseless claims, allegations, and innuendo because you have no real argument.
if millions are indeed complicit, then why haven’t at least tens of thousands confessed to this conspiracy?
I never claimed any conspiracy, that is your red herring. Several of my links are to the CDC itself. People who don't know what they are doing usually do wind up exposing their own incompetence.
are you aware that the great majority of anti-vaxxer misinformation comes from a limited number (12) sources/individuals?
None of what I posted is anti-vaccine. My links were to the CDC, the British Medical Journal, an Indian newspaper, and Nature magazine. Are you accusing the CDC of being anti-vax? BMJ? Nature?
This is why you are nothing more than a paid shill (at least I hope you are being paid and not doing this to yourself for free): You refuse to even read what actual scientists are publishing, instead you mindlessly regurgitate what you have been told to think.
On the other hand, I am reading what the CDC and FDA and anyone else I can find are publishing whether I agree with it or not. This is why I am posting links to scientific journals and you are ranting about "anti-vaxers."
You are just like most of the left and the Biden admin shouting "science!" while they are doing all they can to suppress it because it doesn't fit their narrative.
hopespringseternal wrote: “The link shows that the CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases unless they wound up dead or hospitalized. The significance is they were trying to hide the decline of vaccine effectiveness.”
That is entirely consistent with the purpose of the vaccines, as has been stated all along, was to prevent serious illness or deaths.
hopespringseternal wrote: “Tell me why we are discussing booster shots if the vaccine effectiveness is not declining?”
Can you identify three vaccines that do not require boosters to maintain effectiveness?
hopespringseternal wrote: “Couldn’t come up with an argument against them, so you just wave your hand and pretend.”
No, if you look at all your links they all display the same weaknesses.
Here’s the next two links:
No one is ignoring that different areas have different areas have different outcomes. The problem is trying to isolate the causes.
No one is ignoring that viruses mutate. That isn’t an credible argument about vaccines. The viruses mutate and the vaccines change.
All of your arguments/links are an attempt to place an impossibly high standard for the vaccines in an attempt to argue that they are ineffective.
hopespringseternal wrote: “Show me where I made that claim. You are simply making baseless claims, allegations, and innuendo because you have no real argument.”
The claim that millions of health care professionals are complicit in a giant conspiracy to kill millions isimplicit in all of your claims.
hopespringseternal wrote: “I never claimed any conspiracy, that is your red herring. Several of my links are to the CDC itself. People who don’t know what they are doing usually do wind up exposing their own incompetence.”
So now you’re claiming that millions of health care professionals do not know what they’re doing and are simply incompetent?
hopespringseternal wrote: “None of what I posted is anti-vaccine. My links were to the CDC, the British Medical Journal, an Indian newspaper, and Nature magazine. Are you accusing the CDC of being anti-vax? BMJ? Nature?”
It is your interpretation of these links that makes you an anti-vaxxer.
hopespringseternal wrote: “This is why you are nothing more than a paid shill (at least I hope you are being paid and not doing this to yourself for free): You refuse to even read what actual scientists are publishing, instead you mindlessly regurgitate what you have been told to think.”
You do realize that accusing someone of being a paid shill is a big admission that you’re losing the argument.
hopespringseternal wrote: “You are just like most of the left and the Biden admin shouting “science!” while they are doing all they can to suppress it because it doesn’t fit their narrative.”
You are attempting to suppress anything that doesn’t fit your (anti-vaxxer) narrative.
No, that is the fallback story. If that is true, where are all the widespread (mild) outbreaks of almost any other disease? Polio? Diptheria? Cholera? Any look at honest data from anywhere else shows that the effectiveness of this vaccine is laughable. Even the CDC admits it when they aren't publishing propaganda for the masses.
Can you identify three vaccines that do not require boosters to maintain effectiveness?
Can you name three vaccines that require booster shots every six months indefinitely? If you believe that it will stop at three your next stop is shopping for bridges. Even the flu vaccine is only once a year and that is because it has to be reformulated every year for new strains.
COVID vaccines aren't being reformulated for new strains, so their already poor performance against new strains will only get worse.
No, if you look at all your links they all display the same weaknesses. Then point out exactly what those weaknesses are. Be specific. Tell me where Nature and the British Medical Journal are getting their science wrong.
The claim that millions of health care professionals are complicit in a giant conspiracy to kill millions isimplicit in all of your claims.
I posted links to published science and I have made no such claim myself. You keep saying it because you are too lazy or dishonest to actually address the science. All you know how to do is mindlessly repeat talking points someone else gave you.
It is your interpretation of these links that makes you an anti-vaxxer.
That's just name-calling. If you bothered to actually read any the science you would see none of the conclusions are mine.
No one is ignoring that viruses mutate. That isn’t an credible argument about vaccines. The viruses mutate and the vaccines change.
Again, if you read any of the science you would understand why you can't narrowly vaccinate everyone against one small part of the virus. It is the functional equivalent of giving everyone low dose antibiotics. You guarantee the selection of the strains that are most resistant, destroying that antibiotic as a treatment option.
They should have given this vaccine only to high risk individuals and started development of a full genome vaccine for everyone else. They shouldn't bother giving it to anyone who has had covid.
And as far as denigrating health care professionals, if you pulled your head out of your rectal orifice you would notice how many nurses are being fired for refusing the vaccine and how many doctors out there are criticizing the CDC/FDA for their mindless anti-science boosterism.
Amazing that you claim to not be an anti-vaxxer yet you parrot all the derogatory claims made by the anti-vaxxers.
SEN. RON JOHNSON: We do not have an FDA–approved vaccine being administered in the U.S. The FDA played a bait and switch. They approved the Comirnaty version of Pfizer drugs. It’s not available in the U.S. They even admit it. I sent them a letter three days later going ‘What are you doing?’
“What they did is they extended the emergency use authorization for the Pfizer drug vaccine that’s available in the U.S., here that’s more than 30 days later, they haven’t asked that very simple question. If you’re saying that the Pfizer drug is the same as the Comirnaty, why didn’t you provide FDA approval on that? So, there’s not an FDA-approved drug and, of course, they announced it so they could push through these mandates so that people actually think, ‘Oh, OK now these things are FDA approved.’ They are not and again, maybe they should be, but the FDA isn’t telling me why.”
It’s still not a mandate, even if you have to leave the armed forces. You still have a choice.
They are forcing it on Border Patrol agents….take the jab or get fired.
The football coach from a local prep school, got the booster shot a short time ago. Today he is in hospital being treated for blood clots throughout his body.
What else can go wrong?
JayGalt wrote: ““What they did is they extended the emergency use authorization for the Pfizer drug vaccine that’s available in the U.S., here that’s more than 30 days later, they haven’t asked that very simple question. If you’re saying that the Pfizer drug is the same as the Comirnaty, why didn’t you provide FDA approval on that? So, there’s not an FDA-approved drug and, of course, they announced it so they could push through these mandates so that people actually think, ‘Oh, OK now these things are FDA approved.’ They are not and again, maybe they should be, but the FDA isn’t telling me why.””
They extended the EUA for those under sixteen while approving the vaccine for almost everyone older than sixteen.
Many anti-vaxxers have used the fact that the EUA is still in effect for those under sixteen to justify a claim that the vaccines have not been fully approve which is hogwash.
The FDA-approved COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series. An individual may be offered either COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2.
Here is the FDA approval letter:
https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
Good job.Your inability to avoid making unfounded conclusions remains intact.
If you’re saying that the Pfizer drug is the same as the Comirnaty, why didn’t you provide FDA approval on that?
JayGalt wrote: “If you’re saying that the Pfizer drug is the same as the Comirnaty, why didn’t you provide FDA approval on that?”
They are the same vaccine.
Way to avoid the point.
Sen. Ron Johnson: There is not an FDA approved COVID vaccine in the US
10/3/2021, 12:28:08 PM · by Texas Fossil · 3 replies
Fox News ^ | 10-2-21 | Senator Ron Johnson
Biden didn’t cause enough damage to our ability to protect our country by his Afghan fiasco?
So now Biden wants to dump soldiers who won’t let him drug them with the drugs of HIS choice? Today a vaccine - tomorrow soma...
Step one: Weaken the military by short staffing...
Step two: call for a draft
Step three demand American women with young children be drafted
Step four: compromise by allowing ‘illegals’ to trade military service for citizenship
Step five: have illegals (who will ‘follow orders’) take out enemies of white liberal ‘elites’...
Step six: The US becomes a commie hellhole.
Um, it IS a mandate if you wish to remain in the military as your career.
Sad. We will never hear a peep in the secular media.
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