CDC-funded study: In May, U.S. reached level that some experts say is 'herd immunity' against Covid-19

Sharyl Attkisson ^ | SEPTEMBER 12, 2021 | Sharyl Attkisson

[george76]

Research shows the U.S. had reached what some scientists believed to be "herd immunity" status against Covid-19 last May, with more than 80% of the population immune to Covid either through natural infection or vaccination.

And the actual number of immune Americans may be higher.

That's because the new study, funded by the Centers or Disease Control (CDC), factored in only 20% of the population as being protected through natural infection after recovering from Covid-19. But over three months ago, CDC estimated the naturally-infected population to be substantially higher: more than 120 million or 36%. And after the spread of Delta variant, and the passage of three more months, experts say the percentage of naturally immune is much higher than the 36% estimate, though CDC has not publicly updated its number in months.

Still, even assuming the study's lower estimate of naturally immune, and adding in the vaccinated, researchers concluded 83% of the population was immune from Covid-19 as of last May.

One confounding factor is that the vaccines are less effective at preventing Covid infection and spread than hoped.

Many fully-vaccinated patients have gotten Covid-19 in recent months, and thousands of fully-vaccinated have been hospitalized or died of Covid in the U.S. Authorities say that's still a tiny number compared to all who have gotten vaccinated. But they are now looking into different spacing between double-doses and the possibility of additional boosters shots for those hoping to develop immunity through vaccination.

CDC stopped tracking Covid-19 infections among the fully-vaccinated on May 1, when they began to get increasingly common, unless the patients end up hospitalized or dead.

According to CDC, it knows of 14,115 fully-vaccinated people who got Covid-19 and were hospitalized or died (as of September 7).

Some experts now say because the vaccines are not preventing Covid-19 infection, or spread of Covid-19, a higher threshold than initially thought will be necessary to reach herd immunity.

Some scientists hoped a 70% immune rate would do the trick and defeat Covid-19. Now, some are saying it may take 90%. Some experts believe the U.S. has reached that level.

Meantime, the Biden Administration has announced its intention to force 100 million Americans, even the naturally-immune, to get vaccinated for Covid-19 (if they aren't already), or be fired from their jobs. Officials haven't explained why a mandate would come at a time when scientists agree the population has reached or neared herd immunity.

They also haven't explained why vaccination would be required of the naturally-immune, when the bulk of studies show that immunity gained after infection is superior and longer-lasting than vaccine-induced immunity.

Some public health experts dispute the bulk of the studies and say that those who have been infected with Covid-19 can benefit from vaccination. In December, CDC officials got caught falsely stating that studies showed a benefit.

An article in Science also falsely reported that a study found benefits to vaccination for those who already had natural immunity from natural infection. (See #23 here.) Science later corrected the article when a reader flagged the false information.

The Biden Administration hasen't said why illegal border crossers are not required to show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-test; are not tested before they're released in the U.S.; and are not required to be vaccinated like many legal Americans will be. On the other hand, U.S. citizens returning from abroad are not allowed into the U.S. without proof of immunity or a negative Covid test.

[fireman15]

We get lied to over and over. Most don't know it. Parrots.

Your entire post was spot on! It should be required reading.

[Jane Long]

Well, we know CDC fudges their numbers...so, herd immunity was LIKELY reached MONTHS before this....probably before, or by the time these wicked shots were being rolled out :-(

[fireman15]

Sorry my first sentence had an editing error, it should have said:

The Forbes article that you quote and linked to was derived from data that added in all the “Covid deaths” before the vaccines were even available.

[elpadre]

“...daily deaths presently are about double a year ago.....”

are these death rates double last year’s?????

https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiNWE4ZWQxYTktNzU4My00ZGJjLTgxOTUtZjZlNGQxZDQ0YzJmIiwidCI6IjljZTcwODY5LTYwZGItNDRmZC1hYmU4LWQyNzY3MDc3ZmM4ZiJ9

[Paul R.]

Oh, well, a few of us who actually have had a bit of an inside view through a good friend...

“Worst agency in the government.”

[WildHighlander57]

“...U.S. citizens returning from abroad are not allowed into the U.S. without proof of immunity or a negative Covid test.”

So, proof of immunity is ok for US citizens returning to the US, but not ok for US citizens living here?

[WildHighlander57]

Now if the CDC counts as unvaxxed anyone that went in hospital during days 1-14 after the second shot, them that skews the data.

[Owen]

Excess Deaths of all causes, mostly, and this has always been so.

The virus mutations don’t care much about what political events are going on in the US. They are equal opportunity killers. Russia has an effective vaccine and it is not putting much of a dent in their death counts. US Afghanistan policy doesn’t seem to be affecting virus deaths in Moscow. And we should not be surprised at this.

The Chinese did not create a virus that would be easy to stop. Certainly not via some sort of natural process. And probably not via vax, either, per the Russians, and the Excess Death explosion currently underway in the US.

The most important news of the week came from the VA study. Two items — first, many hospitals, and ALL VA hospitals, do Covid testing on anyone admitted for any reason. It makes perfect sense because docs and nurses need to know this when they walk up to a patient. Second, there is an explicit number that defines Severe Covid disease. It’s not a general impression of the patient’s condition. It’s a blood oxygen level. Go below that level and that is Severe Covid disease.

So, counting hospitalizations is likely not too meaningful in an absolute sense. But a count of Severe is.

[ptsal]

Bkmk herd

[Wpin]

Last statistics out of Israel I saw were from September 2nd of this year. At that time 60% of the population was fully vaccinated and the breakthrough rate was 2.8%.

[fireman15]

I am sorry Owen... I suspect that you are trying to share something of substance. I am sincerely trying to determine what that is.

First deaths from all causes could easily have been inflated by the nonsensical lockdowns. People have not been able to get important treatments for conditions such as high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, cancer etc... People have been unable to go to places like the YMCA and other “health clubs” for exercise. They have been forced to wear masks that have been proven to have very negative effects on people's health. People have been forced to not go to buffets and restaurants where they could eat a wide variety of foods for a reasonable price and instead have been choking down "fast food". Do you know what that does to your health?

I know two people myself who came down with serious cases of pneumonia neither of which tested positive for Covid. One of them died. The thing that they had in common was that they were habitual mask wearers even in their own homes. The one who lived was told not to wear masks any more because they were one of the reasons she came down with pneumonia in the first place and because her lungs were permanently damaged by high concentration O2 and the ventilators.

“It's a blood oxygen level. Go below that level and that is Severe Covid disease.”

Low blood oxygen level does not necessarily have anything to do with Covid. I spent 25 years responding to people with “low blood oxygen levels” on emergency medical calls. I retired long before the current “pandemic”.

[hopespringseternal]

Do you have a source for this lie?

On August 3rd, out of 400 cases, 240 had been vaccinated.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-80-vaccinated-suffers-another-covid-19-surge-11628769603

[Wpin]

The rates are the same for more recent data. The Massachusetts information...wasn’t a study...is incorrect. Also, like so many of the ignorant here you confuse infection rate as something important. It really has little meaning. Nothing can stop the virus from entering the body. What matters is hospitalization and deaths. Those clearly show the vaccines are working very well and being unvaccinated is tremendously more risky now than a year ago.

According to Covidusa.net there was about half the deaths (daily) that there are now. Figuring (rough estimate) perhaps 20% of the population is unvaccinated and never had Covid one can see that it is now 10 times more risky to not be vaccinated...

Check this out...referring to your Massachusetts malarkey

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/report/statistical-analysis-covid-19-breakthrough-infections-and-deaths

[Wpin]

The rates are the same for more recent data. The Massachusetts information...wasn’t a study...is incorrect. Also, like so many of the ignorant here you confuse infection rate as something important. It really has little meaning. Nothing can stop the virus from entering the body. What matters is hospitalization and deaths. Those clearly show the vaccines are working very well and being unvaccinated is tremendously more risky now than a year ago.

According to Covidusa.net there was about half the deaths (daily) that there are now. Figuring (rough estimate) perhaps 20% of the population is unvaccinated and never had Covid one can see that it is now 10 times more risky to not be vaccinated...

Check this out...referring to your Massachusetts malarkey

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/report/statistical-analysis-covid-19-breakthrough-infections-and-deaths

[Wpin]

The rates are the same for more recent data. The Massachusetts information...wasn’t a study...is incorrect. Also, like so many of the ignorant here you confuse infection rate as something important. It really has little meaning. Nothing can stop the virus from entering the body. What matters is hospitalization and deaths. Those clearly show the vaccines are working very well and being unvaccinated is tremendously more risky now than a year ago.

According to Covidusa.net there was about half the deaths (daily) that there are now. Figuring (rough estimate) perhaps 20% of the population is unvaccinated and never had Covid one can see that it is now 10 times more risky to not be vaccinated...

Check this out...referring to your Massachusetts malarkey

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/report/statistical-analysis-covid-19-breakthrough-infections-and-deaths

[Wpin]

The rates are the same for more recent data. The Massachusetts information...wasn’t a study...is incorrect. Also, like so many of the ignorant here you confuse infection rate as something important. It really has little meaning. Nothing can stop the virus from entering the body. What matters is hospitalization and deaths. Those clearly show the vaccines are working very well and being unvaccinated is tremendously more risky now than a year ago.

According to Covidusa.net there was about half the deaths (daily) that there are now. Figuring (rough estimate) perhaps 20% of the population is unvaccinated and never had Covid one can see that it is now 10 times more risky to not be vaccinated...

Check this out...referring to your Massachusetts malarkey

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/report/statistical-analysis-covid-19-breakthrough-infections-and-deaths

[Wpin]

If you check out Covidusa.net you can see daily deaths are about double now what they were a year ago. Then consider there is only about 20% of the present population that is now vulnerable.

[stockpirate]

What could be so important that they want everyone to take the vax?

[Wpin]

It’s accurate to measure that way. Skewing the results inaccurately would be to count infections or hospitalizations as vaccinated before being truly vaccinated. Surely you understand that.

[fireman15]

referring to your Massachusetts malarkey.

You have just outed yourself Joe. You are not only quoting Biden administration lies, you have adopted his speaking style.

And by the way did you even bother to read the Heritage Foundation you linked to? The answer is an obvious NO. YOu are pretty far gone. All over the world in areas with high Covid vaccination rates their are more vaccinated people in hospitals than unvaccinated. The vaccines are an abysmal failure.

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

“That means 63 percent of those who died from the Delta variant had been vaccinated.”

https://thesimpsonpost.wordpress.com/2021/06/25/research-reveals-vaccinated-people-more-vulnerable-to-delta-variant-than-unvaccinated/