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1 posted on 09/12/2021 8:54:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Courts will likely agree that the federal government has the authority to enforce COVID-19 vaccine mandates> but will argue that the rules and penalties cannot be enforced, said Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz.

Classic doublespeak!

How do you "enforce" without "enforcing rules" and penalties?

2 posted on 09/12/2021 9:00:25 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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But science doesn’t support Jab mandates. The real science is being suppressed by the Tech giants.


3 posted on 09/12/2021 9:00:27 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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Dershowitz admits that it is not an emergency but also says that the government can force a mandate. Does that mean that all people most get the HPV, the shingles shot, the regular flue shot, etc?


4 posted on 09/12/2021 9:01:21 PM PDT by jrestrepo (Now I am an insurgent. Starve the beast (any way possible) )
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I am not sure you can argue that this can be required by
Federal legislation either. Based on the case history the states and localities via legislative action have had this power. I not sure you can make a case to the Courts that a 2% death rate and 5% hospitalization rate warrants the Feds up surging the State’s powers


5 posted on 09/12/2021 9:02:02 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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So what’s to stop 100+ employee companies from forming two or three (or ten) employee leasing companies and paying the smaller companies for the employees?


7 posted on 09/12/2021 9:09:04 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Judges have personal lives. And they have families who have personal lives.

Have long suspected that FDR’s goons blackmailed, extorted, or intimidated the individual members of SCOTUS into reversing their position on FDR’s “New Deal” power grab; a grotesque overreach of government which they had previously, and correctly, found to be unconstitutional.


15 posted on 09/12/2021 9:47:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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I’m starting to hear distance sounds of gunfire!


16 posted on 09/12/2021 9:49:30 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is applied Marxism!)
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Perhaps, but it wont stop businesses, states, etc. from mandating such.


18 posted on 09/12/2021 9:55:48 PM PDT by cranked
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Yes, eventually... hopefully... if the courts still believe the things the founders instructed them to believe and the law showed what was to be believed from that point.

Of course they will, after a lengthy deliberation and an appropriate venue where claimants who can describe “harm” will be seen.

The biggest difference from twenty years ago is that the president doesn’t give no F***s about the law, he’s going to get the results wherever he can.


20 posted on 09/12/2021 10:17:07 PM PDT by jz638
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Can businesses demand every employee’s abortion history to enforce a “no abortion” policy?


22 posted on 09/12/2021 10:57:51 PM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (Remember the 2020 backstabbers. No more RINOs ever!)
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Since most people in the work force are under age 60, and since the COVID fatality rate for that age group is just a fraction of one percent, I do not see how Biden or OSHA can possibly claim in court that this is a medical emergency.

In addition, workers above age 60 already belong to the most vaccinated age group in the USA - more than 80% in Washington state.


24 posted on 09/13/2021 12:01:06 AM PDT by zeestephen
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Federal law has enough loopholes and enough corrupt men-in-black that this will stand. No one should rely on the Federal system anymore.

States and counties must nullify this. See what the Feds do next, but be ready to lose Federal money.


26 posted on 09/13/2021 2:40:16 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2 (Widespread belief in asymptomatic spread of a low-risk virus hastened the end of the West by 100 yrs)
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I don’t agree. One only needs to look at smoking laws. You can’t even smoke in your own home in some places.


27 posted on 09/13/2021 2:52:41 AM PDT by outpostinmass2 (Y)
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There's a bigger issue here that has gotten hardly any exposure at all in these discussions:

Who has the legal standing to challenge these OSHA mandates?

As I see it, the EMPLOYERS may be the only ones who have the legal standing to challenge the OSHA mandates. That should be fine, except that I suspect most employers have no interest in challenging them.

Think about it ...

Over the last eight months, employers have been dealing with a completely untenable situation where they can't figure out what kind of COVID-related work place requirements they should impose. If they require vaccines, then they may be potentially liable for vaccinated employees who suffer from vaccine side effects. If they don't require vaccines, then they may be liable for employees who contract COVID on the job.

Biden has done these employers a huge favor by eliminating their legal exposure when they impose vaccine mandates.

29 posted on 09/13/2021 4:24:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest, ‘til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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This is the plan (you heard it hear 1st 8^):

They’re counting on SCOTUS to rule this unconstitutional - which will be the “final straw” for the left to move against this “activist, partisan court”, and pack the court with compliant leftist judges.

32 posted on 09/13/2021 6:16:27 AM PDT by jonno (You are the carbon they want to reduce.)
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in the event that science supports it, there can be mandated vaccinations with exceptions

All .gov needs is one Joseph Mengele to support the "science"....wonder who that might be....
37 posted on 09/13/2021 9:10:32 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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