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Afghan debacle cedes Eurasia to the dragon and bear - - China and Russia set to cement alliance with US withdrawal and existential common threat of jihad on their frontiers
asiatimes.com ^ | September 6, 2021 | Spengler

Posted on 09/06/2021 9:20:56 AM PDT by elpadre

NEW YORK – “This is manifestly not Saigon,” said United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken as helicopters snatched fleeing Americans from the embassy roof in Kabul. It’s incomparably worse for America’s world standing.

Like the fellow in the Sam Cooke song, Blinken doesn’t know much about history or geography. Unlike the man in the song, he doesn’t know that one and one is two, by which I mean Russia and China.

Richard Nixon opened diplomatic relations with China three years before the fall of South Vietnam, securing China’s tacit agreement not to exploit the Communist victory by exporting the revolution to the rest of Southeast Asia.

America’s defeat in Vietnam, damaging as it was, had a limited impact in the region. Afghanistan, by contrast, will draw China and Russia into a dominant role in Central and Western Asia.

The defeat of an American proxy regime by Taliban irregulars marks the first victory for a jihadist army against Western military forces since the annihilation of a British expeditionary force in Afghanistan in 1842.

It will serve as a rallying point for jihadists in Russia, China, Central Asia and the Middle East. America’s display of casual disinterest in the region, to the point of abandoning significant numbers of its own citizens behind enemy lines and very large numbers of its allies, has persuaded all the region’s players that America is enervated and feeble.

It is the last ignoble installment in a series of errors compounding previous errors over 20 lamentable years.

China and Russia have no choice but to step in. If they do not excise the jihadist cancer today, it might metastasize into something uncontrollable......

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; afghanistandebacle; antonyblinken; california; china; communism; jihadibiden; nancypelosi; putin; russia; sovietunion; spengler; talibiden; waronterror; xi
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1 posted on 09/06/2021 9:20:56 AM PDT by elpadre
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“Afghan debacle cedes Eurasia to the dragon and the bear”

Uh, it was already theirs.

Certainly no sane American thinks we have a dog in that hunt.


2 posted on 09/06/2021 9:24:55 AM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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“...And it reads America’s helter-skelter departure from Afghanistan as a sign of imperial senescence.

I doubt that Secretary Pompeo had any plans to incubate Uighur terrorists as a weapon against the Chinese regime; the ETIM affair probably constituted no more than a Parthian shot at Beijing by an official of a lame-duck administration with future political ambitions.

But that is not how Beijing read the matter. Chinese analysts read the Defense Intelligence Agency’s 2012 report warning that American support for Sunni jihadists would foster the new Caliphate movement that turned into ISIS.

As noted, they tracked jihadists from General Petraeus’ “Sunni Awakening” into their own counter-terror sphere. They watched Pompeo arrange for the release of 5,000 Taliban militants as part of the peace negotiations that preceded the Biden rout.

With its richly financed Belt and Road Initiative, China had already seized the diplomatic high ground in Central Asia – likely to the discomfort of Russia, formerly the dominant power among the former republics of the defunct Soviet Union.

Now Russia and China will set aside their differences and the dragon and bear will bestride Eurasia like twin colossi. That is the alliance that Richard Nixon set out to prevent in 1972, and it is now hard upon us. ...”


3 posted on 09/06/2021 9:25:32 AM PDT by elpadre ( )
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To: Mariner

bttt


4 posted on 09/06/2021 9:26:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: elpadre

“Now Russia and China will set aside their differences and the dragon and bear will bestride Eurasia like twin colossi. “

I’m sure it will be every bit as effective as the WWII Axis.


5 posted on 09/06/2021 9:27:30 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Mariner

Agree.
They can have it.


6 posted on 09/06/2021 9:28:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: elpadre

China did not influence Vietnam. They have been mortal enemies for ages. The Vietnamese were allied with The USSR not China.

China benefits because they will get to mine the REM in the mountains. I cannot imagine there is much love between Russia and the Taliban.

And really, the only reason we gave a shit about Afghanistan is it allowed us to listen to Russia, China, and mostly Iran. And since we are kissing all of their collective asses these days, there is no reason to stay.

Remember, 10% for the big guy.


7 posted on 09/06/2021 9:33:02 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It is said the terrorists such as AlQuida and ISIS are much concern to the dragon and the bear as to our country.


8 posted on 09/06/2021 9:33:28 AM PDT by elpadre ( )
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To: Seruzawa

The Axis powers were on opposite sides of the world and didn’t coordinate their movements. Plus, as noted above, Russia and China dominated Central Asia for decades if not longer. It’s the natural state of things and doesn’t in itself mean the end of the world, though in general the state of the world doesn’t look good.


9 posted on 09/06/2021 9:38:16 AM PDT by x
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To: elpadre

Well said. Hopefully free people will take a stand against Russia/China and their puppet Biden.


10 posted on 09/06/2021 9:39:31 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Never blame on incompetence what can better be attributed to treason.

11 posted on 09/06/2021 9:40:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Mariner

In the predicted End Times, according to Revelations, there was mention of “Gog and Magog”. Could these adversaries of right and justice now have a live counterpart?

Russia and China, of course.


12 posted on 09/06/2021 9:51:50 AM PDT by alloysteel ( Poor people give rich people all their money anyway. Just as they have always done.)
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Russia and the US got their asses handed to them by these 5th century cave dwellers...China it’s your turn.


13 posted on 09/06/2021 9:54:50 AM PDT by hercuroc
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To: elpadre; Liz; SunkenCiv
The defeat of an American proxy regime by Taliban irregulars marks the first victory for a jihadist army against Western military forces since the annihilation of a British expeditionary force in Afghanistan in 1842. It will serve as a rallying point for jihadists in Russia, China, Central Asia and the Middle East. America’s display of casual disinterest in the region, to the point of abandoning significant numbers of its own citizens behind enemy lines and very large numbers of its allies, has persuaded all the region’s players that America is enervated and feeble.

Biden's not smart enough to be this stupid...

Plus we were 'warned' several times (without asking) that Biden made horrible foreign policy decisions. That was odd.

But this Afghan withdrawal isn't just 'horrible' it's inspired. Inspired horrible...does more to knock us off the world stage than any simple 'mistake'...

Obama's people are pulling the strings... and Biden's 'calls for help' - "I've been told not to take questions" throws water on this horror being a casual stupid bumbling old man 'mistake'... Israel is moving to the China/Russia power positions in hopes of THEM controlling Iran. That's just the beginning.

Biden's NOT smart enough to do this without help... Biden didn't get the first invite to Obama's party - and either did Chicago and National democrats like Axelrod who 'made' Obama. That's a red flag.

14 posted on 09/06/2021 9:57:19 AM PDT by GOPJ ($85 billion worth of weapons in Afghanistan for 2,500 American troops? Something's rotten in Denmar)
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To: elpadre

I’ve said for decades the US needed to team up with Russia before Russia teamed up with China against us.


15 posted on 09/06/2021 9:59:53 AM PDT by bgill (.Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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To: GOPJ

“But this Afghan withdrawal isn’t just ‘horrible’ it’s inspired. Inspired horrible...does more to knock us off the world stage than any simple ‘mistake’...”

Are you referring to the fact we withdrew, or the manner in which it was done?

Geopolitically, it makes no difference.

Of note, we had no business there to begin with.


16 posted on 09/06/2021 10:03:44 AM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: hercuroc

What battle did the Taliban defeat the US militarily?

Are there one or two...or none.

I’d assert that we didn’t get our asses handed to us but politicians grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory.

After we degraded the current AQ and Taliban back in 2001, we should have left, 4-6 months later.


17 posted on 09/06/2021 10:04:51 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: hercuroc

“...China it’s your turn....”

From all that has been said, it appears China will accept the Taliban as a pardner, not an opponent.


18 posted on 09/06/2021 10:07:45 AM PDT by elpadre ( )
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To: elpadre

...as Western Europe and North America sink deeper and deeper into the quagmire of decadence!


19 posted on 09/06/2021 10:12:44 AM PDT by Savage Beast (“The soul…is ever contented. The…ego...is never satisfied.”--Paramahansa Yogananda)
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To: elpadre

“it appears China will accept the Taliban as a pardner, not an opponent.”

Talk is cheap. Do you think China will partner with Muslims?

Snakes have no partners.


20 posted on 09/06/2021 10:13:37 AM PDT by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders,)
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