Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

The Defender ^ | 8-23-21 | Peter McCullaugh, M.D.

[Retphys]

The link you posted is an opinion piece, but t doesn’t back up the “don’t vaccinate in a pandemic “ opinion.

Rather it argues against spreading out vaccinations so more people have one shot and are partly vaccinated vs fewer people getting two shots to be fully vaccinated. The author supports the “fewer people fully vaccinated” path. Nowhere does he argue against vaccination in a pandemic.

Again, I will accept information from a virology textbook, a statement from a recognized virology body, or a study.

[Responsibility2nd]

A couple of months ago I scoffed at the notion of shedding.

But I keep an open mind on the pros and cons of vaccines.

And as more intel is coming out like this - I am no longer skeptical about the idea that vaccinated people can’t be a danger to us unvaxxed.

Something else to think about. Will you be needing blood soon? It’ll likely be loaded up with enough spike MRNA proteins to equal that of any ordinary vaccinated person. Even if you’ve NOT been vaccinated.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3988070/posts

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3988313/posts

[ballplayer]

I believe the term is Antibody Dependent Enhancement

[ballplayer]

I believe the term is Antibody Dependent Enhancement

[phoneman08]

Surely you’re not talking about this ridiculous comment?

“’Pre-vaccination era in 2020’ means UNVACCINATED.

Therefore, the study compares vaccinated with unvaccinated.

Case closed.”

[palmer]

Therefore, the study compares vaccinated with unvaccinated.

It also compares Delta to legacy COVID. The increase in viral load is well known from legacy to Delta. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=viral+load+increase+delta&t=osx&ia=web. You could argue each of those pages is also comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated.

But they have looked at vaccinated vs unvaccinated specifically: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w. Yeah it's the CDC so presumably all lies to make vaccines look good.

Although the assay used in this investigation was not validated to provide quantitative results, there was no significant difference between the Ct values of samples collected from breakthrough cases and the other cases. This might mean that the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 is also similar

Similar means higher or lower, and they don't say which, but similar implies that any super spreading can be done by either group. Other studies have shown some people are very good at spreading. They might be vaccinated or not but that makes no real difference.

[grey_whiskers]

I can only do so much looking over lunch. Hold your horses.

[bagster]

Surely you’re not talking about this ridiculous comment?

Of course I am, strange old man. And you can't Fauci dance your way out of that simple statement.

Add this (another 'ridiculous' comment:

The 'pre-vaccination era' numbers are a known quantity.

The current 'leaky vax' numbers are a known quantity.

It is not necessary for the Chau (Oxford) paper to make the comparison. You or I could make the comparison if we saw the numbers with our own eyes. And we're just two guys sittin' in a chair.

Defense rests.

To which I add, So simple, even a Phoneyman can do it.

So yea, Phoney. You can Fauci dance all you like, but its not that complicated. In fact, its very simple.

The vaccinated nave 251 times more viral load than the unvaxxed. Their symptoms are 'lessened' early so they build up more and therefore, spread it more.

They, and you, are SUPER SPREADERS.

And there ain't enough bushido for you to sling to not make it so.

#FaucisBoy

[bagster]

Again, I will accept information from a virology textbook, a statement from a recognized virology body, or a study.

Common sense and observation ain't good enough for ya.

Your reliance on Government 'experts' is adorable.

[phoneman08]

One word to keep it simple for you. Delta.

[Sirius Lee]

"The television told me that if I took a third ouchie it would protect me from the cough-food germans."

[bagster]

One word to keep it simple for you. Delta.

It can't get any simpler.

On Feb. 11, the World Health Organization indicated the AZD1222 vaccine efficacy of 63.09% against the development of symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection. The conclusions of the Chau paper support the warnings by leading medical experts that the partial, non-sterilizing immunity from the three notoriously “leaky” COVID-19 vaccines allow carriage of 251 times the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 as compared to samples from the pre-vaccination era in 2020.

Why is this so hard for you?

I bet if you took off your Fauci kneepads you could figure it out.

[Retphys]

“ Common sense and observation ain’t good enough for ya. Your reliance on Government ‘experts’ is adorable. “

Grey whiskers made a statement: “ virology says that one does not attempt to vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic”.

I am looking for back up for that statement, which means virology expertise and consensus among the experts. I don’t know why you would imply that all virologists work for the government, or that the government performs all studies, or that the government writes virology textbooks, but I can assure you that is not so.

[firebrand]

China owns the WHO, doesn’t it?

[phoneman08]

From. The. Paper.

“Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.”

[bagster]

Grey whiskers made a statement: “ virology says that one does not attempt to vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic”.

That's common knowledge. You must be new to the 'Vax Wars'. That's been posted about a gajillion times here.

You don't vaccinate in the midst of a pandemic, for obvious reasons (which we are seeing now. hint: 'variants' and vaxxed 'super spreaders').

The government 'medical community' are the people responsible for violating this truism, therefore they will lie and deny till the cows come home.

And people like you will eat it up.

Since you're too lazy to do your own research, I'll hold your hand like as if you were a small child.

https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_266039aeb27a4465988c37adec9cd1dc.pdf">Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundaton">

Money quote:

As stated, I am not against vaccinaton. On the contrary, I can assure you that each of the current vaccines have been designed, developed and manufactured by brilliant and competent scientsts. However, this type of prophylactc vaccines are completely inappropriate, and even highly dangerous, when used in mass vaccinaton campaigns during a viral pandemic.

Vaccinologists, scientists and clinicians are blinded by the positive short-term effects in individual patients, but don’t seem to bother about the disastrous consequences for global health. Unless I am scientifically proven wrong, it is difficult to understand how current human interventions will prevent circulating variants from turning into a wild monster.

So you see, one does not vaccinate in the midst of pandemic, so says a PHD virologist who is NOT an 'anti-vaxxer'. Merely an honest scientist.

[bagster]

You just defeated your own argument, genius.

You said:

“Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.”

A smart person said:

March-April 2020: Commonly known as the 'pre-vaccination era', as pointed out in the article.

The article said:

COVID-19 vaccines allow carriage of 251 times the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 as compared to samples from the pre-vaccination era in 2020.

The internet said:

Covid-19: First vaccine given in US as roll-out begins

(excerpt)

Covid-19: First vaccine given in US as roll-out begins Published14 December 2020

Pro tip: December 2020 is after March-April 2020. Doh!

Are you sure you didn't fall down and bump your head? Probly best if you just slink off to spread your lies on another Covid/Vax thread, Propaganda Minister.

[grey_whiskers]

The virology textbooks on line were all biochem and very little public health or vaccinations.

Incidentally, here’s a couple of journal articles. Studies, you know, and all that.
https://www.arcjournals.org/journal-of-immunology-and-vaccines/volume-1-issue-1/2

“The result of our literature investigation, the number of the cases which caused by vaccine escape mutant variants were found to be increased, especially in high endemicity region. Because of that, we think vaccine escape mutants are growing very important public health problem.”

Pre coof, peer reviewed: “Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens”
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/articleid=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

An in-vitro (I know, I know) study on the coof showing escape from a single antibody.
https://www.immunology.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-immunology-literature-reviews/escape-from-neutralizing-antibodies-by-sars-cov-2-spike-protein-variants

Here’s one from pre-coof days.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26854888/

Here’s another from pre-coof days on how to design vaccines (in this case for Hepatitis) to help prevent immune escape.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26854888/

Here’s a study using monoclonal antibody cocktails ( .NE. vaccines) which show you need neutralizing antibodies which separately bind to different areas highly conserved areas of the reactive binding domain.
https://c19regn.com/baum.html

Compare that to, (no I’m not going to try to find it!) an article I read in the last couple days talking about ADE being favored as a result of jabs, where one of the antibodies generated to the original jabs, actual enhances binding for the delta variant.

You just gave the game away.

Consensus is not science, but politics.

(It *might’ve* been fastidiousness, I’ve known overly pedantic scientists, but insisting “only a study or a textbook” while ignoring a professor with hundreds of citations, a Nobel Prize winner in Virology, and a professor publishing on a Johns Hopkins blog on covid (warning about ADE and insisting on only vaccines with full immunity, which implies the risk of adaptation by the virus and therefore immune escape...

Not gonna take you seriously anymore.

(That’s the standard skeptic trick, btw: “Give me your sources” without any reasons why, followed immediately by “Not good enough” or moving the goalposts or “DeBOOOONKED” or “they’re a kook” : where “kook”==”anyone not currently fellating Fau-Xi, in the same way “right-wing extremist”==”anyone to the right of Josef Stalin”).

Toodles.

[Valpal1]

It’s not nitpicking when some clickbait artist deliberately lies and misrepresents a study.

It helps no one but the clickbaiter to share their dreck.

[phoneman08]

Get lost. You are simply not intelligent enough to hold a conversation with.

Now go post some imbecilic memes.