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“ Common sense and observation ain’t good enough for ya. Your reliance on Government ‘experts’ is adorable. “

Grey whiskers made a statement: “ virology says that one does not attempt to vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic”.

I am looking for back up for that statement, which means virology expertise and consensus among the experts. I don’t know why you would imply that all virologists work for the government, or that the government performs all studies, or that the government writes virology textbooks, but I can assure you that is not so.

Grey whiskers made a statement: “ virology says that one does not attempt to vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic”.

That's common knowledge. You must be new to the 'Vax Wars'. That's been posted about a gajillion times here.

You don't vaccinate in the midst of a pandemic, for obvious reasons (which we are seeing now. hint: 'variants' and vaxxed 'super spreaders').

The government 'medical community' are the people responsible for violating this truism, therefore they will lie and deny till the cows come home.

And people like you will eat it up.

Since you're too lazy to do your own research, I'll hold your hand like as if you were a small child.

https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_266039aeb27a4465988c37adec9cd1dc.pdf">Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundaton">

Money quote:

As stated, I am not against vaccinaton. On the contrary, I can assure you that each of the current vaccines have been designed, developed and manufactured by brilliant and competent scientsts. However, this type of prophylactc vaccines are completely inappropriate, and even highly dangerous, when used in mass vaccinaton campaigns during a viral pandemic.

Vaccinologists, scientists and clinicians are blinded by the positive short-term effects in individual patients, but don’t seem to bother about the disastrous consequences for global health. Unless I am scientifically proven wrong, it is difficult to understand how current human interventions will prevent circulating variants from turning into a wild monster.

So you see, one does not vaccinate in the midst of pandemic, so says a PHD virologist who is NOT an 'anti-vaxxer'. Merely an honest scientist.

The virology textbooks on line were all biochem and very little public health or vaccinations.

Incidentally, here’s a couple of journal articles. Studies, you know, and all that.
https://www.arcjournals.org/journal-of-immunology-and-vaccines/volume-1-issue-1/2

“The result of our literature investigation, the number of the cases which caused by vaccine escape mutant variants were found to be increased, especially in high endemicity region. Because of that, we think vaccine escape mutants are growing very important public health problem.”

Pre coof, peer reviewed: “Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens”
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/articleid=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

An in-vitro (I know, I know) study on the coof showing escape from a single antibody.
https://www.immunology.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-immunology-literature-reviews/escape-from-neutralizing-antibodies-by-sars-cov-2-spike-protein-variants

Here’s one from pre-coof days.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26854888/

Here’s another from pre-coof days on how to design vaccines (in this case for Hepatitis) to help prevent immune escape.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26854888/

Here’s a study using monoclonal antibody cocktails ( .NE. vaccines) which show you need neutralizing antibodies which separately bind to different areas highly conserved areas of the reactive binding domain.
https://c19regn.com/baum.html

Compare that to, (no I’m not going to try to find it!) an article I read in the last couple days talking about ADE being favored as a result of jabs, where one of the antibodies generated to the original jabs, actual enhances binding for the delta variant.

You just gave the game away.

Consensus is not science, but politics.

(It *might’ve* been fastidiousness, I’ve known overly pedantic scientists, but insisting “only a study or a textbook” while ignoring a professor with hundreds of citations, a Nobel Prize winner in Virology, and a professor publishing on a Johns Hopkins blog on covid (warning about ADE and insisting on only vaccines with full immunity, which implies the risk of adaptation by the virus and therefore immune escape...

Not gonna take you seriously anymore.

(That’s the standard skeptic trick, btw: “Give me your sources” without any reasons why, followed immediately by “Not good enough” or moving the goalposts or “DeBOOOONKED” or “they’re a kook” : where “kook”==”anyone not currently fellating Fau-Xi, in the same way “right-wing extremist”==”anyone to the right of Josef Stalin”).

Toodles.