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To: Retphys; bagster

The virology textbooks on line were all biochem and very little public health or vaccinations.

Incidentally, here’s a couple of journal articles. Studies, you know, and all that.
https://www.arcjournals.org/journal-of-immunology-and-vaccines/volume-1-issue-1/2

“The result of our literature investigation, the number of the cases which caused by vaccine escape mutant variants were found to be increased, especially in high endemicity region. Because of that, we think vaccine escape mutants are growing very important public health problem.”

Pre coof, peer reviewed: “Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens”
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/articleid=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

An in-vitro (I know, I know) study on the coof showing escape from a single antibody.
https://www.immunology.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-immunology-literature-reviews/escape-from-neutralizing-antibodies-by-sars-cov-2-spike-protein-variants

Here’s one from pre-coof days.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26854888/

Here’s another from pre-coof days on how to design vaccines (in this case for Hepatitis) to help prevent immune escape.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26854888/

Here’s a study using monoclonal antibody cocktails ( .NE. vaccines) which show you need neutralizing antibodies which separately bind to different areas highly conserved areas of the reactive binding domain.
https://c19regn.com/baum.html

Compare that to, (no I’m not going to try to find it!) an article I read in the last couple days talking about ADE being favored as a result of jabs, where one of the antibodies generated to the original jabs, actual enhances binding for the delta variant.

You just gave the game away.

Consensus is not science, but politics.

(It *might’ve* been fastidiousness, I’ve known overly pedantic scientists, but insisting “only a study or a textbook” while ignoring a professor with hundreds of citations, a Nobel Prize winner in Virology, and a professor publishing on a Johns Hopkins blog on covid (warning about ADE and insisting on only vaccines with full immunity, which implies the risk of adaptation by the virus and therefore immune escape...

Not gonna take you seriously anymore.

(That’s the standard skeptic trick, btw: “Give me your sources” without any reasons why, followed immediately by “Not good enough” or moving the goalposts or “DeBOOOONKED” or “they’re a kook” : where “kook”==”anyone not currently fellating Fau-Xi, in the same way “right-wing extremist”==”anyone to the right of Josef Stalin”).

Toodles.


218 posted on 08/24/2021 4:31:37 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Two of your citations go to the same article. While some of the citations do discuss the problem of mutations lowering vaccine efficacy, not one of the articles supports not vaccinating.

You call over skepticism, I call it wanting to see credible support for your assertion. None of your citations support not vaccinating during a pandemic.

I agree, this discussion is over. Be well.


228 posted on 08/24/2021 8:16:40 PM PDT by Retphys
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