Posted on 08/18/2021 4:37:56 PM PDT by Humane1
California Gov. Gavin Newsom has already issued an executive order calling on Californians to voluntarily cut their water use, and now the governor says mandatory restrictions could be coming soon.
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Doesn’t matter, his supporters can print as many ballots as they need and vote as often as they want.
Just six nuke-powered desalination plants (10 GW each) could make enough fresh water to cover all of California with an extra foot of water each year, using desalination plants with 4 kWh per m^3 efficiency. Of course it would take a lot less than that to only make enough water for the central valley, i.e. the main agricultural land, as opposed to for the entire state.
Nukes are 10 GW, typically. Without seeing your post, I calculated it would take about 60 GW, i.e. 6 nukes, running all the time (which nukes do tend to do) to desalinate enough water to flood the entire state of CA to a depth of 1 foot in a year, though, not including pumping energy requirement. Less, of course, to only add a foot per year to the central valley rather than the whole state.
Why do YOU think that I think it is far fetched?
I have seen how here in Kanadahar (Canada), the courts have chosen to disregard our fundamental rights to freedom of association, freedom to practice religion and freedom to move from Province to Province, as outlined in our ‘constitution, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I have also seen in the US, an election STOLEN and a Supreme Court that REFUSES to even HEAR any evidence that PROVES such a claim. We live in Bizarro World!
NOTHING would surprise me now, INCLUDING what I said, though I don’t think Gruesome Newsome is quite THAT brazen. At least, not yet, anyway.
Mandates and more mandates but no laws. Dictatorship.
He announces this just before recall election?
This is the largest nuclear reactor in the USA. Nowhere near 10,000 megawatts.
The Grand Gulf Nuclear Station in Port Gibson, Mississippi, has the largest U.S. nuclear reactor with an electricity generating capacity of about 1,400 MW.Apr 6, 2021
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/nuclear/us-nuclear-industry.php
There is not a single reactor parks with ten gigawatts. This is the largest park in the world.
Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s (TEPCO) Kashiwazaki-Kariwa plant in Japan is currently the world’s largest nuclear power plant, with a net capacity of 7,965MW. Kashiwazaki-Kariwa has seven boiling water reactors (BWR) with a gross installed capacity of 8,212MW.Jun 26, 2019
https://www.power-technology.com/features/feature-largest-nuclear-power-plants-world/
Here are the top ten for the USA. The largest is Palo Verde with 3.9 GW that comes from three 1.33 GW individual reactors.
https://www.power-technology.com/features/the-biggest-nuclear-power-plants-in-the-us/
You are gonna need a lot more than 12 inches of water per square foot. Alfalfa the number one crop in California uses 4 to 5 feet water per square foot per year. UC Davis has decades of data. That one crop alone uses 5 million acre feet per year. Almonds use 1900+ gallons per lb of crop yield there is 325800 gallons to an acre foot look up the yield per acre of almonds then add up how much water that took. Rice which California grows a good bit of needs up to 6 acre feet per acre. Corn needs 2 to 3. California has too many acres under irrigated cultivation that’s just a fact. The Colorado River compact of 1922 was set with water rights for a period of unusual precipitation. How unusual levels that have not been seen.in 2000 years the compact was set for a water amount that has not been the norm since Jesus walked the earth. Read up on the history of the compact set aside a few hours of time it’s that comprehensive.
https://alfalfa.ucdavis.edu/%2Bsymposium/proceedings/2008/08-265.pdf
I guess I should have lead off with I have been a licenced PG and working professional geologist for more than two decades. One of my master’s is in hydrology and my PhD is directly related to hydrogeology. I also hold a master’s in petroleum geology. I have done extensive field work in the Colorado basin and sedimentary transport and depositional studies at lake mead. I was under contract from New Mexico to study water capture of various endemic species to determine the best way to keep water in the Rio Grande river and not in the riparian areas particularly Prosopsis and the very invasive Tamarisk. Water and oil are my bread and butter. Have been in both industries for decades.
“Water and oil are my bread and butter. Have been in both industries for decades.”
Back in college (early 80’s) one of my professors said “The next war will be over oil. The one after that will probably be over water.”
“Easily done if the adulterous bastard is recalled. Everyone on this board should inform everyone they know in California to recall this retromingent bastard and vote for Larry Elder”
Both mine and the Wife’s ballots are sign sealed and hopefully the USPS will deliver two votes for Elder today.
Thanks for your detailed replies. What I calculated was for the entire state of CA, which has about 164,000 square miles of area. The central valley is a little more than a tenth of that, 18,000 square miles, which means that if the water were only used there, the water would be 164/18 = 9.1 times deeper, i.e. 9 feet (per year), which is twice what would be needed for alfalfa, and is 50% more than rice needs, without any additional water, according to your numbers.
I should have stated that a “large” nuke is “about 10 GW”, rounding 7 or 8 to 10. Using 5 GW per site would take twice as many, i.e. 12 reactors. By way of comparison, France has 56 reactors, and generates just over 60 GW from them (i.e. at just over 1 GW average per site).
But this is doable - France has done it - and the calculated water desalination capacity at this level would basically remove California’s dependence on other sources of water entirely.
If, OTOH, they were to merely supplement their water needs with nuke-powered desalinators, then of course less capacity would be required. How much supplemental water would remove their constant crisis situation I don’t know, but even one 5 GW desalinator would probably move their needle, if 12 would completely remove their need for external water altogether.
However, they’d rather spend the money on high-speed rail and welfare for illegals, so, together with the perpetual water crises, I guess that’s what they want.
Duck Duck go them or something.
They’ve really pushed for it, and if they can afford it, we should be able to.
Israel is a small nation that gets tens of billions in foreign aid every year. From the U.S., Germany, and I've heard that Britain and some other nations chip in as well. Not to mention much private charity, from both Jewish and Christian groups.
If the U.S. received as much foreign aid per capita as does Israel, we'd be able to afford a whole lot more too.
I too voted for Larry Elder. Dropped my ballot in the mail yesterday.
I’m sure the Israelis will be glad to know they won’t have
to pay any more water bills. /s
Agreed nuclear desal is the way to go anywhere you have access too the oceans or a subsurface brine source. This water would be economical for nearly any first world urbanite. Israeli desal is already half or less the cost or muni water here in North Texas on an equal 1000 gallon basis. $1.96 for desal vs $4.5 for North Texas water district
The resources of brines and brackish water in the USA is massive given that most of the North American land mass was under ocean cover for at least some of it’s period in geological history. The sediments from those eras will be nearly fully saturated in prehistoric ocean waters. This is fossil water and never replaceable but itr a huge reserve. Nuclear desal plus deep electric ubmersible pumps first developed for the oil industry allows for waters from 12,000 plus feet deep become technically recoverable.
https://water.usgs.gov/ogw/gwrp/brackishgw/
If you have access to SciDirect there is a treasure trove of information.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/nuclear-desalination
Please see
https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/
Water in California is much more complicated than you know.
Much of the developed water has been paid for by the ag users themselves. Private and district reservoirs have no way to deliver water to urban users. Much of the water used by ag is from sources that are not feasible for export to urban areas.
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