Posted on 08/10/2021 9:03:58 AM PDT by hoagy62
Pushback is growing against Gov. Jay Inslee's new order mandating that all state employees, healthcare and long-term care workers get the COVID-19 vaccine.
Under the governor's order, issued Monday, those workers must submit proof that they have been vaccinated against the virus by Oct. 18 - or else.
The new mandate applies to 400,000 healthcare workers in Washington state and comes amid a fifth wave of COVID-19, as the highly contagious delta variant drives up cases and fills up hospital beds. The governor's order does include exemptions for medical or religious reasons.
Robin Dale with the Washington Health Care Association says they've been pushing for this new mandate for months.
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While Democratic lawmakers call the mandate an important step in stopping the virus, many Republicans disagree.
"I’m just concerned that this goes too far - and what if this doesn’t work? What’s next?" says state Sen. Mike Padden, R-Spokane Valley. "I mean, are they going to strap people to gurneys and force shots into their bodies?"
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"Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington announced Monday that most state employees and all health care workers must be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus by Oct. 18, or risk losing their jobs."
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"This would apply to both private and public sector workers, including 60,000 state employees, as well as 14,000 that work for King County and 10,000 employed by Seattle."
Ok right. But in healthcare we are used to that, so they should get over themselves.
You are in the hospital for a minor surgery and covid fee. Do you want your nurse or surgeon to treat you while they have covid?
“If the antivaxxers don’t want to protect themselves from disease then they should be denied all of the above and more. People with infants and those who are immune compromised should not have to stay home because of those who don’t want to contribute to the safety of society.”
I’m afraid you’ve caught something worse than COVID. You’ve caught the fear. That’s the worst disease in the world, because it’s able to make normally rationally thinking individuals act like liberty-hating dunces.
“But in healthcare we are used to that, so they should get over themselves.”
Get the hell out of town. Rights do not change because you say “oh we’re used to that”. Governments don’t get to mandate to private employees that they have to take an experimental medicine or they lose their job. That’s never happened once in the history of this country and you know it.
Sorry. Covid free.
Healthcare workers take on risks that the public does not. And we know that when we choose the profession.
For all of my career I could have been exposed to anything.
I once had to type and cross blood from a man who had just arrived from Africa where an Ebola epidemic was raging.
He was vomiting blood all over the ED room.I had to go in there.
That’s the job!
You gown up and do things carefully. But you do the job.
That’s what healthcare is...setting aside things you might normally avoid because you are there for the patients.
So yes. They should all get the covid vaccine. I have lots of friends back there and they have done.
Its the eastern half of the state that will resist.
“The workplace should be safe and as free of covid as possible.
So should restaurants, the library, domestic flights, and concerts/theaters.”
Agreed. However you have NO evidence that the “vaccines” do this outside your own provaxx HerrDoktor FauxiMenegelGates, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, government diktat/echo chamber/propaganda.
I don’t hear ANY “anti vaxxers” telling you to not get the vaxx, but a LOT of you pro vaxxers saying “Get the damn shot.”
How very proto fascist of you.
Well government agencies.
https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-supreme-court
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/government-regulation
A poster recently posted that his job was going to require vaccination. Some posters told him...'don't get it'.
If the vaccine compliance was high enough we could wipe this baby out. And Israel only had 60% btw. Michigan has 55%. Israel is not the great land of vaccination as touted.
We need to get more people vaccinated before one of the unvaxxed serves as an incubator for a more deadly variant. Its a life or death situation. Your rights are nothing by comparison. And Scotus agrees.
"In 1904, the Supreme Court heard the case of a Massachusetts anti-vaccinationist. He claimed that his liberty was invaded when the state of Massachusetts subjected him to criminal penalty for refusing to submit to vaccination. He argued that a compulsory vaccination law was unreasonable, arbitrary and oppressive, and, therefore, hostile to his inherent right to care for his own body and health in whichever way he felt best; and that the execution of such a law, no matter for what reason, he felt was an assault. The opinion of the Court was handed down in 1905, striking down all of the anti-vaxxer’s arguments. The Constitution of the United States does not guarantee absolute liberty from government intervention, the Court explained, and it does not import an absolute right into each person to be wholly freed from government restraint. "
"In 1922, the Supreme Court again reiterated this stance in the case of a Texas anti-vaxxer, reminding us, “it is within the police power of a State to provide for compulsory vaccination.”"
“The possession and enjoyment of all rights are subject to such reasonable conditions as may be deemed by the governing authority of the country essential to the safety, health, peace, good order and morals of the community. Even liberty itself, the greatest of all rights, is not unrestricted license to act according to one's own will. It is only freedom from restraint under conditions essential to the equal enjoyment of the same right by others. It is then liberty regulated by law." https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2019/03/05/yes-the-u-s-constitution-allows-compulsory-vaccinations-n2542592
A poster recently posted that his job was going to require vaccination. Some posters told him...'don't get it'.
If the vaccine compliance was high enough we could wipe this baby out. And Israel only had 60% btw. Michigan has 55%. Israel is not the great land of vaccination as touted.
We need to get more people vaccinated before one of the unvaxxed serves as an incubator for a more deadly variant. Its a life or death situation. Your rights are nothing by comparison. And Scotus agrees.
"In 1904, the Supreme Court heard the case of a Massachusetts anti-vaccinationist. He claimed that his liberty was invaded when the state of Massachusetts subjected him to criminal penalty for refusing to submit to vaccination. He argued that a compulsory vaccination law was unreasonable, arbitrary and oppressive, and, therefore, hostile to his inherent right to care for his own body and health in whichever way he felt best; and that the execution of such a law, no matter for what reason, he felt was an assault. The opinion of the Court was handed down in 1905, striking down all of the anti-vaxxer’s arguments. The Constitution of the United States does not guarantee absolute liberty from government intervention, the Court explained, and it does not import an absolute right into each person to be wholly freed from government restraint. "
"In 1922, the Supreme Court again reiterated this stance in the case of a Texas anti-vaxxer, reminding us, “it is within the police power of a State to provide for compulsory vaccination.”"
“The possession and enjoyment of all rights are subject to such reasonable conditions as may be deemed by the governing authority of the country essential to the safety, health, peace, good order and morals of the community. Even liberty itself, the greatest of all rights, is not unrestricted license to act according to one's own will. It is only freedom from restraint under conditions essential to the equal enjoyment of the same right by others. It is then liberty regulated by law." https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2019/03/05/yes-the-u-s-constitution-allows-compulsory-vaccinations-n2542592
I work in the chemical industry.
We have to be VERY careful about requiring ANYTHING.
For instance, boots. Steel toes. Osha requires them, so we supply them. But if the boot fails, it is not the boot maker that is hauled into court, or OSHA.
I am. Why? I followed the recommendation by OSHA, but if that PPE fails I am liable by the same OSHA for the damages.
Different fields, but the law is “If you require something, you are liable if it hurts someone”.
My issue with the jab is simple. Having worked in the pharma industry, I do no trust anything rushed. Some of the crap I saw was amazing.
So as a manager trained in “how not to go to jail”, this is a huge red flag for me (and my employer also). Mandate a medical treatment, which has known adverse effects and is not effective? One of which we will have to shoulder the liability ? I would say HIPPA violations but no one seems to give to rats about that anymore.
You mentioned flu vaccines. One boss tried to mandate that. Had the people show up with the shots and everything. Employee got it, got the flu, lost time at work AND WE GOT SUED!
Because since the shot was required and did not protect the employee after my boss had posted “Stop the flu” signs all over, we got hit hard. Legal came in and had a rather interesting and painful session on what we can and can not require.
Legal is having little green footballs over this as it is. My plant isn’t union, but the ones that are have been told to expect massive resistance.
For myself, I had it. Wasn’t bad (enough that except for losing my sense of smell, it seemed like allergies at first). Still have a strong enough titer I am giving plasma (next draining in two weeks). I have giving my crew and team information on the vaccine, said to talk to their primary doctor for questions, but will not mandate it one way or another.
After all the screaming is done, there is going to be massive litigation over the mandates. I prefer to keep my employer out of it if possible.
Sorry! Anti vaxxers
That was from before the FDA was even founded and started regulating vaccines. There has never been a government mandate, or any court case authorizing a government mandate that private individuals must take an experimental medical treatment not approved by the FDA.
If you are really in the healthcare industry, surely you know this? It’s required information to disclose to everyone who receives an experimental treatment that these can’t be compelled and must be taken voluntarily.
When did you have covid? Was it very recently?
If not you did have delta.
The first strains were easy on people. This one is not.
Oh ok. Lets just wait and see then. I am betting the courts don’t ever side with an antivaxer.
So far they have not.
You are so filled up with your liberty thing that you cannot see that young healthy people and children are dying.
And you don’t care. Too proud to risk a shot with the lowest risk factor ever....Let them die, right?
Watch out for the Herman Cain Freedom Award.
Lots of conservatives are being awarded lately.
You really should give a vaccine some thought. Death is quite permanent.
Whatever I signed for the vaccine.....haha, I did not read it.
Oh well. I already knew I wanted it.
I have never asked about what has been required of me to work in a hospital lab. I never minded it and its just the way it is...
Its a profession. More than A job.
“If vaccine compliance was high enough we could wipe this baby out.”
Oh really ?
Have you not heard of the new lambda variant? And then theres
still the epsilon, zeta, eta, theta, iota, ... omega variants in the works.
And of course the “vaccines” are NOT killing ANYONE, right?!
That ALL powers that be are FORCING it , meh, nothing to see here, RIGHT?!
“You are so filled up with your liberty thing that you cannot see that young healthy people and children are dying.
And you don’t care. Too proud to risk a shot with the lowest risk factor ever....Let them die, right?”
Me getting a “shot” won’t stop anyone from getting the disease, or dying, since we already know the vaccine doesn’t actually stop infection or transmission. So you’re a couple months too late to use that guilt trip anymore.
Perhaps, maybe the shot might lesson some symptoms if I were to get infected, but we don’t really know that since we haven’t completed any medical trials yet. Even if it were true, it’s my life and my personal decision as to medical treatments and risks to myself. Not your decision, and certainly not the government’s.
“... vaccines only rarely kill people.”
Are you seriously suggesting that all the “vaccine” deaths are not being suppressed by you and your cohort ?!!!!!
And how many deaths would be enough for you to shut up with the “Get the damn vaccine.” command? Not uncomfortable with totalitarianism?
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