Posted on 08/09/2021 7:48:13 AM PDT by rktman
An executive order signed quietly by Tennessee's Republican governor is troubling some Americans as it greenlights the National Guard and State Guard to implement quarantines and involuntary commitment of citizens "in connection with certain health care and emergency services operations," with the governor specifically concerned about "an increase in COVID-19 cases."
Gov. Bill Lee signed Executive Order 83 on Friday "with little fanfare" according to Tennessee Stands, an influential conservative coalition.
The group says it found some of the provisions in the executive order "exceptionally concerning," including:
"Discretion to utilize National Guard and State Guard members in connection with certain health care and emergency services operations." "Telephone assessments for involuntary commitment cases are permitted." "Temporary quarantine and isolation facilities may be constructed."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
‘This is literal tabloid trash.’
yes, on its face that’s exactly what it is, but we must be aware of the fluid nature of beaureacrats and their proclamations...the telephone assessments of the mentally ill and incompetent is the perfect camel’s nose under the tent...
Please tell us what that is.
Concentration camps for non-conformers. Obviously anyone in one of them would not be able to continue working at his/her job, nor see family/friends.
Did you think it was just a virus? NO! It was the answer to the most radical marxist’s dreams! A perfect way to turn the USA into a repressive dictatorship.
Pingaling
Texasgurl24,
Can you address molewhacka’s concerns about sections 14 and 18 copied here:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3983428/posts?page=19#19
See post 3
It would seem the governor has provided rational solutions to problems faced last year and may be faced again this year.
The ranting and raving seems out of place
I already posted some of it. Please try to keep up.
Section 14 deals with mental health commitments. These already exist under TN law.
https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2019/title-33/chapter-4/part-1/section-33-4-108/
It doesn’t change anything other than allowing the use of telemedicine to make the examination. That’s it.
Section 18 deals with the permitting process under TN Law for health care facilities:
(c)(1) When construction is planned by any facility required to be licensed by the department, except home care organizations as defined in § 68-11-201 , for any building, additions to an existing building or substantial alterations to an existing building, two (2) sets of plans and specifications shall be submitted to the department to be approved. However, only one (1) set of schematics shall be submitted to the department for approval of plans and specifications converting an existing single family dwelling into:
(A) A licensed residential health care facility with six (6) or fewer beds;
(B) A licensed adult care home with five (5) or fewer residents; and
(C) Traumatic brain injury residential homes with eight (8) or fewer residents.
(2) Before construction is started, approval of the plans and specifications must be obtained from the department with respect to compliance with the minimum standards or regulations, or both, of the board.
(3) The board may determine by regulation specific types of site activity that may be initiated prior to approval.
(4) The plans shall be accurate and shall be detailed plans, containing the information and drafted and submitted in a manner that the board may require by regulation.
(5) The department shall expeditiously process its review of plans that have been submitted in the full and final form required by regulation.
(6) At the request of the owner of the proposed project or the design professional, the department shall make plan review staff available for advice and consultation regarding programmatic concepts and preliminary plans early in the planning process.
(7) The department shall assign adequate numbers of qualified staff to the plan review section, to ensure that a thirty-day review cycle is provided on any submittal.
(8) If, upon final inspection or reinspection of the completed project, the department’s representative finds that only minor items remain to be completed or corrected that do not significantly affect the health or safety of the occupants, the department’s representative shall permit occupancy pending completion or correction of such items.
All Section 18 does is allow for the permitting process to be waived. That’s it.
It has nothing to do with FEMA camps or any other similar fantasy.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with “concentration camps.”
That’s what the pot stirrers want the uninformed to think.
emergency involuntary commitment of a person with a mental illness or serious emotional disturbance based upon a telephone assessment of such person by a mandatory pre-screening agent designated pursuant to Tennessee Code Annotated, Sections 33-6-104 and 33-6- 427, if the following conditions are met:
a. The mandatory pre-screening agent is not reasonably able to conduct an evaluation in-person or via readily available telehealth services; and
b. The mandatory pre-screening agent determines in the agent’s professional judgment that conducting the assessment via telephone with the person is clinically appropriate.‘
Hell, all they have to do is piss you off and you’re gone.
That’s not how it works. Read the Code.
“Those deal with waiving permitting regulations on building temporary medical treatment facilities and with mental health commitments (where you have to commit a nut case who is trying to harm himself or others).”
Good, but how long until anti-vaxxers are declared mentally unhealthy, trying to harm themselves and others?
If he uses it to quarantine liberals for mental health reasons, I don’t see a problem. J/k
That’s not how the law works. Read the Code.
TN is one of the few States that actually has some form of vaccine mandate ban in place:
https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB0013
The Governor signed that Bill.
This EO has nothing to do with the Qtard fantasies.
Gov pulls law out of his ass and nowI’m supposed to go read the law it’s all supposedly subject to or based on. ‘Emotionally upset’ LOL. On the telephone no less.
From the comments. read the full text.
Basically, the order is to suspend state licensing and safety laws to be able to employ as many healthcare workers and facilities as possible for response to covid-19.
Not a bad idea to suspend state licensing for doctors in good standing from other states in an emergency. But to allow non-credentialed nurses, and all healthcare providers to work outside their licensed scope of practice invites negligence. An ob-gyn doesn’t know how to treat pulminary afflictions…Neither do psychiatric practitioners, as outlined in section 5.
Sections 6 and 7 allow for medical and nursing school students to practice. Oh Yay.
Section 8 allows for the National Guard to intervene.
Section 14 is a beauty. It allows for what will be an appointed Psychiatric Bureaucrat to decide whomever he or she determines is nuts over a phone call, and can recommend involuntary commitment at will. Meanwhile in Section 19, mental institutions are waived the requirement for inspections of their facilities that protect their patients. Gee, what could go wrong there?
Section 20 suspends investigations of all healthcare licensees, regardless of official complaints. The “Department” has sole discretion in who gets investigated and who does not.
Finally, Section 21 suspends inspection laws for ALL healthcare facilities.
All for our safety, right?
Not to be overly contentious, but I suspect I and many others who are concerned about EO 83 are not only not “uninformed”, we are among the more highly informed. In fact, the level of concern is such that many of the most informed Tennesseans (including a large percentage of legislators) are pushing for a special session of the General Assembly to address this issue.
As to why you wish to characterize enabling committing persons to mental health institutions (including involuntarily so) based on telephone evaluation, or potential construction of unnecessary quarantine centers, as nothing more than “potstirring” is puzzling.
Again for the record, many Tennesseans with extensive knowledge in both legislative and medical matters are very concerned with this EO and with Governor Lee in general.
It has nothing to do with “emotionally upset.” And yes, you do have to read the law if you want to know what is actually going on.
Here is how it works in TN:
33-6-401. Emergency detention.
IF AND ONLY IF
(1) a person has a mental illness or serious emotional disturbance, AND
(2) the person poses an immediate substantial likelihood of serious harm under § 33-6-501 because of the mental illness or serious emotional disturbance,
THEN
(3) the person may be detained under § 33-6-402 to obtain examination for certification of need for care and treatment.
33-6-501. Substantial likelihood of serious harm defined.
IF AND ONLY IF
(1) (A) a person has threatened or attempted suicide or to inflict serious bodily harm on the person, OR
(B) the person has threatened or attempted homicide or other violent behavior, OR
(C) the person has placed others in reasonable fear of violent behavior and serious physical harm to them, OR
(D) the person is unable to avoid severe impairment or injury from specific risks, AND
(2) there is a substantial likelihood that the harm will occur unless the person is placed under involuntary treatment,
THEN
(3) the person poses a substantial likelihood of serious harm for purposes of this title.
This is the same law that has been in place in TN for decades. It’s the one that you use to make that schizoid Charlie doesn’t go on a murder spree when he is hearing voices in his head.
The EO changes NOTHING except for allowing Telemedicine in limited circumstances for the examination. That’s it.
It has NOTHING to do with declaring Qtards an enemy of the State or anything similar.
Ahh...ad hominem attacks. The bastion of those with the facts clearly on their side...
I guess those of us either with, or consulting with, those with professional backgrounds in law or medicine should set aside our valid concerns lest we be called nasty names.
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