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Breaking: CDC Director Rochelle Walensky suggests administration looking into vaccine mandate
The Hill ^ | 07/30/21 07:23 PM EDT | BY JORDAN WILLIAMS

Posted on 07/30/2021 4:52:05 PM PDT by RandFan

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To: RandFan

If they do this, say goodbye to a big chunk of the black vote.


61 posted on 07/30/2021 6:49:42 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (No masks necessary? I guess voting by mail will be eliminated for 2022 and 2024. Yippee!)
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To: ought-six

Then kill the Stasi.


62 posted on 07/30/2021 6:52:03 PM PDT by nonliberal (Trump 2024. Burn it down.)
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To: RandFan

Expect a surge in lead poisoning


63 posted on 07/30/2021 6:57:52 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: dragnet2

They won’t accept your money so how are you going to get out of the store with goods?


64 posted on 07/30/2021 6:59:51 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules
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To: RandFan; All
Noting that I'm non-medical, please consider the following.

First, noting that it is now feared that CV19 spikes are probably starting to block capillary blood vessels, a condition which can possibly lead to death from pulmonary artery hypertension in three years, the FDA needs to increase its two year test period to three and not make experimental CV19 jabs mandatory until they're confident that the jabs aren't actually killing people.

Dr. Charles Hoffe issues Vaccine warning… Deep dive on endothelial damage to blood vessels… (7.26.21)

Next, in stark contrast to waiting few more years to make sure that jabs aren't killing people, based on reports we've been seeing, herd immunity experts seem to have correctly predicted that herd immunity has already finished doing its job, the taxpayer dollars that paid for the jabs not only going down the drain, but also creating new health problems as previously mentioned.

Professor Sucharit Bhakdi: We already have antibody memory immunity to COVID19, 99% of us immune. Vaccination is unnecessary & re-vaccination potentially life threatening. (7.9.21)

Regarding Professor Bhakdi's enthusiasm for herd immunity, kudos to Sweden for recently passing a milestone in slowing down spread of CV19 links.

In fact, Professor Bhakdi seems to have also correctly predicted that politically correct, experimental CV19 "vaccines" would interfere (my word) with herd immunity.

So why do very corrupt, allegedly election-stealing, Democratic-controlled federal and state governments still want to force jabs on everybody when it seems that every day we're hearing about more problems with jabs?

The key to understanding the fed's seemingly misguided push for jabs is probably to consider who is following the money.

More specifically, I surmise that taxpayer dollars for (now obsolete?) experimental CV19 "vaccines" are ultimately helping to reelect desperate Democrats.

Corrections, insights welcome.

65 posted on 07/30/2021 7:18:39 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: dragnet2

Need to buy food at the Grocery store? Sorry, need the jab. Need a job? Sorry, if you want to work, you’ll need the jab. They don’t need to use force.

They don’t need to use force? Tell me, who are these people who will enforce this in the grocery stores and other venues?

What if insurance providers refuse payment for hospital treatment if you have not been vaxxed?


66 posted on 07/30/2021 7:20:53 PM PDT by mikec256
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To: RandFan
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CDC Director Rochelle Walensky suggests administration looking into vaccine mandate
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CDC Says Vaccinated May Be as Likely to Spread COVID as Unvaxxed

How many jab volunteers does the cdc think they will get with duelling messages? This admin is as dizzy as a yo-yo, figures since most of the dems are a bunch of yo-yo's

67 posted on 07/30/2021 7:30:44 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I wonder: if you take the jab and then get sick can an insurance company deny your claim as it was experimental? Can the cancel you policy from then on? What if you die, can they deny your claim since it was an experiment? What happens when all these people end up on SSI disability?


68 posted on 07/30/2021 8:12:01 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: RandFan

69 posted on 07/30/2021 8:14:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (“Fraud vitiates everything.” )
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To: absalom01

People are already walking in and taking what they want, think what it will look like if they try and keep people from banking or food.


70 posted on 07/30/2021 8:23:02 PM PDT by Irenic ( )
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To: rolling_stone
Nobody knows what the hell is going on.

They know exactly what's going on. It's just how science in general has become so incompetent; it's all about funding. All of this talk about the Delta variant, and yet they can't confirm that all cases are Delta. It's simply a manpower issue. Covid is a spigot of money to the special interests that are willing to go along with the party line.

71 posted on 07/30/2021 8:29:32 PM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "one-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: RandFan

The CDC can suck my ass


72 posted on 07/30/2021 8:29:34 PM PDT by guido911
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To: mikec256

You don’t answer a question with a question. Answer mine, and I’ll answer yours.


73 posted on 07/30/2021 8:30:15 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RandFan
Vaccine Mandate Protest Letter

No authorship claim or copyright asserted...this letter just came to me in a bottle, and I have no idea who might have penned it, nor can I possibly vouch for it, and what you fine folks do with it is entirely in your own hands, as the Gentlemen of the Bar remind me I can proffer no general legal advice in the matter, and must officially disclaim proffering any such advice here...edit and excise as you see fit, amend and append as you desire, and claim authorship or anonymity as may best befit you...as always, as you wish...

Dear Boss,

Compelling any employee to take any current Covid-19 vaccine violates federal and state law, and subjects the employer to substantial liability risk, including liability for any injury the employee may suffer from the vaccine. Many employers have reconsidered issuing such a mandate after more fruitful review with legal counsel, insurance providers, and public opinio 

n advisors of the desires of employees and the consuming public. Even the Kaiser Foundation warned of the legal risk in this respect. (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/key-questions-about-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/)

 

Three key concerns: first, while the vaccine remains unapproved by the FDA and authorized only for emergency use, federal law forbids mandating it, in accordance with the Nuremberg Code of 1947; second, the Americans with Disabilities Act proscribes, punishes and penalizes employers who invasively inquire into their employees' medical status and then treat those employees differently based on their medical status, as the many AIDS related cases of decades ago fully attest; and third, international law, Constitutional law, specific statutes and the common law of torts all forbid conditioning access to employment upon coerced, invasive medical examinations and treatment, unless the employer can fully provide objective, scientifically validated evidence of the threat from the employee and how no practicable alternative could possible suffice to mitigate such supposed public health threat and still perform the necessary essentials of employment.

At the outset, consider the "problem" being "solved" by vaccination mandates. The previously infected are better protected than the vaccinated, so why aren't they exempted? Equally, the symptomatic can be self-isolated. Hence, requiring vaccinations only addresses one risk: dangerous or deadly transmission, by the asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic employee, in the employment setting. Yet even government official Mr. Fauci admits, as scientific studies affirm, asymptomatic transmission is exceedingly and "very rare." Indeed, initial data suggests the vaccinated are just as, or even much more, likely to transmit the virus as the asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. Hence, the vaccine solves nothing. This evidentiary limitation on any employer's decision making, aside from the legal and insurance risks of forcing vaccinations as a term of employment without any accommodation or even exception for the previously infected (and thus better protected), is the reason most employers wisely refuse to mandate the vaccine. This doesn't even address the arbitrary self-limitation of the pool of talent for the employer: why reduce your own talent pool, when many who refuse invasive inquiries or risky treatment may be amongst your most effective, efficient and profitable employees?

First, federal law prohibits any mandate of the Covid-19 vaccines as unlicensed, emergency-use-authorization-only vaccines. Subsection bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III) of section 360 of Title 21 of the United States Code, otherwise known as the Emergency Use Authorization section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, demands that everyone give employees the "option to accept or refuse administration" of the Covid-19 vaccine. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3 ) This right to refuse emergency, experimental vaccines, such as the Covid-19 vaccine, implements the internationally agreed legal requirement of Informed Consent established in the Nuremberg Code of 1947. (http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/ ). As the Nuremberg Code established, every person must "be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision" for any medical experimental drug, as the Covid-19 vaccine currently is. The Nuremberg Code prohibited even the military from requiring such experimental vaccines. (Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F.Supp.2d 119 (D.D.C. 2003).

Second, demanding employees divulge their personal medical information invades their protected right to privacy, and discriminates against them based on their perceived medical status, in contravention of the Americans with Disabilities Act. (42 USC §12112(a).) Indeed, the ADA prohibits employers from invasive inquiries about their medical status, and that includes questions about diseases and treatments for those diseases, such as vaccines. As the EEOC makes clear, an employer can only ask medical information if the employer can prove the medical information is both job-related and necessary for the business. (https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/questions-and-answers-enforcement-guidance-disability-related-inquiries-and-medical). An employer that treats an individual employee differently based on that employer’s belief the employee’s medical condition impairs the employee is discriminating against that employee based on perceived medical status disability, in contravention of the ADA. The employer must have proof that the employer cannot keep the employee, even with reasonable accommodations, before any adverse action can be taken against the employee. If the employer asserts the employee’s medical status (such as being unvaccinated against a particular disease) precludes employment, then the employer must prove that the employee poses a “safety hazard” that cannot be reduced with a reasonable accommodation. The employer must prove, with objective, scientifically validated evidence, that the employee poses a materially enhanced risk of serious harm that no reasonable accommodation could mitigate. This requires the employee's medical status cause a substantial risk of serious harm, a risk that cannot be reduced by any another means. This is a high, and difficult burden, for employers to meet. Just look at the all prior cases concerning HIV and AIDS, when employers discriminated against employees based on their perceived dangerousness, and ended up paying millions in legal fees, damages and fines.

Third, conditioning continued employment upon participating in a medical experiment and demanding disclosure of private, personal medical information, may also create employer liability under other federal and state laws, including HIPAA, FMLA, and applicable state tort law principles, including torts prohibiting and proscribing invasions of privacy and battery. Indeed, any employer mandating a vaccine is liable to their employee for any adverse event suffered by that employee. The CDC records reports of the adverse events already reported to date concerning the current Covid-19 vaccine.(https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vaers.html )

Finally, forced vaccines constitute a form of battery, and the Supreme Court long made clear "no right is more sacred than the right of every individual to the control of their own person, free from all restraint or interference of others." (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/141/250)

With Regards,
Employee of the Year

XXX


74 posted on 07/30/2021 9:05:55 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: RandFan; admin

Should PROBABLY update this headline.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/565738-walensky-suggests-administration-looking-into-vaccine-mandate

Even so, can anyone say trial balloon?


75 posted on 07/30/2021 9:23:22 PM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: absalom01
You missed my point. I responded to someone suggesting they'll bar people from entry at the local grocery stores so they can't buy food and commented, "They don’t need to use force". I simply asked, >>Who are these people who will enforce this in the grocery stores and other venues.<<

Btw, we've already seen a million videos depicting violence over things like masks, a lot of injuries and some were killed. So physical force has already been seen over and over and over.

76 posted on 07/30/2021 10:07:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I would hope that those in the food business would get the vaccines if they are in good shape. Contaminated food has been one of the great disease spreaders of even modern times (spoiled meats, fish, poultry, eggs, lettuce (from California where workers used to crap in the fields), etc.

Cashiers should also get them as they touch contaminated money all the time. Many now wear gloves at work and in the few stores I go to, I haven’t heard of any COVID cases.

We can bend a bit where it makes good sense.

The same goes for wearing a mask inside a food store.

I haven’t had my shot yet because of medical conditions (as in I have a serious iron anemia deficiency, low blood counts, and am awaiting tests to see if my pancreatic cancer was destroyed a couple years ago or is back (which would be fatal).

However, I think I’ll get it soon since my doctors have cleared me for the Moderna vaccine. Less side effects. What have I got to lose if my tests show that I have cancer again?


77 posted on 07/30/2021 10:14:59 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; dragnet2

I would hope that those in the food business would get the vaccines if they are in good shape. Contaminated food has been one of the great disease spreaders of even modern times (spoiled meats, fish, poultry, eggs, lettuce (from California where workers used to crap in the fields), etc.


Please post a link to ANY food...whether in grocery store or restaurant has been shown to spread china virus.

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Cashiers should also get them as they touch contaminated money all the time. Many now wear gloves at work and in the few stores I go to, I haven’t heard of any COVID cases.


Again, please show a source of proof that money at stores/restaurants have been contaminated with china virus and spread the disease.

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We can bend a bit where it makes good sense.


Your ‘bending’ suggestions make absolutely NO sense.

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The same goes for wearing a mask inside a food store.


Again...just absurd. MASKS DON’T WORK.

I am sorry that you are living in fear of this disease, and that your fear has caused you to think irrationally about safety.

Keep your immune system up, make sure your Vitamin D levels are up and consider safe and effective preventatives/protocols.

I will pray that your tests come back clean, FRiend!


78 posted on 07/30/2021 10:23:56 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation.)
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To: RandFan

79 posted on 07/30/2021 10:26:16 PM PDT by luvie (The bravery and dedication of our troops in keeping us safe & free make me proud to be an American)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
We can bend a bit where it makes good sense.

Feel free to bend over all you like. Just don't mandate I do the same.

80 posted on 07/30/2021 10:40:31 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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