Posted on 07/30/2021 3:24:41 PM PDT by grundle
Once, at the end of a long job interview, after discussing everything else under the sun, I asked the interviewer what the pay range was for the position. Her lips thinned; she was clearly offended. She said it wasn’t something the company was comfortable sharing.
As frustrating as her response was, it was also typical. Anyone who has ever looked for a job probably has experience with companies being cagey about pay. But often we accept it as the way the negotiation game is played, like it’s a dance you’ve got to know the steps to. The problem is that companies and job applicants aren’t standing on an even playing field. One side — the employer — usually has a lot more information, and therefore leverage, in figuring out how to pay as little as they can to recruit the most talented candidate they can find.
Sometimes, you might not have a good idea of what the role might pay until you’ve gone through several interviews, maybe after you’ve already dedicated time and effort into a sample project or presentation to prove your qualifications. Even if you get a rough idea of salary (or share your own salary expectations) during an initial screening, that comes after you’ve already crafted a cover letter and fine-tuned your résumé for this particular job opening. Any job seeker today knows how much time goes into submitting an application, let alone the rest of the job search process. We put ourselves through the job hunt gauntlet in hopes that an exciting, well-paying role might be waiting at the end. We have to deal with the so-called discomfort companies feel about pay transparency.
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Mine was directly opposite... I had a very hard time getting anything done because I needed to be there physically. I was bored to tears!!!
Government is the only entity that posts salary ranges, and that’s because when you work for the government your salary is public information.
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I can tell you this is not true at my place of work. Open positions are posted with a salary grade and there is a table which shoes the low, mid, and high salary for each grade. Granted, for some positions the range for a Grade is pretty wide.
>> Why waste your and their time?<<
Don’t you want that free steak dinner in the Petroleum Club in Houston with Drambuie after?
It isn’t that uncommon if private equity ownership is involved and they are looking to replace someone at the C-suite level. It could also be that they are at the due diligence and/or offering stage and want to ensure exclusivity on the deal.
If you want to know the salary up front it means you are to immature to work anything other than menial jobs.
The salary dance is like any other negotiation.
Onky grown-ups need apply.
New third question: is the Covid Vaccine Mandatory? ends the conversation right there.
I theoretically can work remotely but just about every day somebody will break something so I might as well show up.
They generally ask what I am currently making on the application. So expected salary going into an interview should be something enough to entice me to leave my current job.
Usually there is a pay range which signifies the functional role you will be in.
Absolutely correct.
Providing a useful product or service at a reasonable price in a free market is the means by which the company gains the funds for those well-paying jobs.
At least that is how it is supposed to work.
A company that does not provide well-paying jobs has a disposable or easily replaceable work force or is strip-mining the workforce in a liquidation economy. Most such companies will be destroyed by competitors - if there is a truly free market in goods, services, and labor.
Of course the larger companies do everything they can to impede any kind of free market in those things.
Putting the cart before the horse there, Skippy.
How many jobs have you created for other people with your company?
I was on indeed the other day and most jobs do post the salary range. I thought most places did that. Yes, maybe not the exact amount is stated but the range usually is.
When I interviewed for my current job, I asked for a very good salary and moved down to a good level. They start new employees at one week vacation. I negotiated to start with three weeks.
“The number one rule of HR is you don’t want employees knowing the salaries of other employees.”
Where I worked when inflation was going crazy in the 70s, the new recruits were getting far more than the people with ten years working for the company. The owners thought they were keeping that secret, and they also pulled the “10% maximum raise” bull pucky. All the old timers found new jobs and left within a month. The company ran it’s assets and credit to zero and vanished. I met one of the owners selling mattresses at Macy’s.
Years ago, when I worked in the computer chip industry, I accidentally discovered that the HR departments from the three largest manufacturers in my state, were sharing their wage and salary information with each other - but NOT with the people who were applying for jobs or who already worked there.
They all basically agreed to follow a three tiered system where the most elite manufacturer paid the most, then a tier for the second best company, and a tier for the third.
That looked blatantly illegal to me, but when I cautiously inquired with two lawyers, I was told it was completely legal at the time.
Yep. That’s where I am too. I don’t ever want to return to the office.
About the same time the Personnel Departments started being called Human Resources.
It's a small number in a big economy, but every bit helps.
Nobody works for free. I don't expect that from anyone.
And what have you done lately?
I know the salary isn’t first issue to bring up, but it’s ridiculous that you have to go through countless interviews and bother your references, have a background check and look at real estate before the salary is mentioned. Finally I just say “show me the money!”
What the hell does that have to do with my post?
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If it’s any consolation, I wondered about that too.
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