Posted on 07/30/2021 3:24:41 PM PDT by grundle
Once, at the end of a long job interview, after discussing everything else under the sun, I asked the interviewer what the pay range was for the position. Her lips thinned; she was clearly offended. She said it wasn’t something the company was comfortable sharing.
As frustrating as her response was, it was also typical. Anyone who has ever looked for a job probably has experience with companies being cagey about pay. But often we accept it as the way the negotiation game is played, like it’s a dance you’ve got to know the steps to. The problem is that companies and job applicants aren’t standing on an even playing field. One side — the employer — usually has a lot more information, and therefore leverage, in figuring out how to pay as little as they can to recruit the most talented candidate they can find.
Sometimes, you might not have a good idea of what the role might pay until you’ve gone through several interviews, maybe after you’ve already dedicated time and effort into a sample project or presentation to prove your qualifications. Even if you get a rough idea of salary (or share your own salary expectations) during an initial screening, that comes after you’ve already crafted a cover letter and fine-tuned your résumé for this particular job opening. Any job seeker today knows how much time goes into submitting an application, let alone the rest of the job search process. We put ourselves through the job hunt gauntlet in hopes that an exciting, well-paying role might be waiting at the end. We have to deal with the so-called discomfort companies feel about pay transparency.
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I start with two questions:
1) Is it 100% remote? If no, no need for the second question.
2) What does it pay?
In other words: Let’s cut the crap.
If companies mandate masks, they will find it harder to fill positions and will be under more pressure to pay well and to be vocal about their generous salaries.
Well, you’re a blogger.
What do YOU make?
You kind of suck at it, so...
Maybe sixteen bucks a week?
Especially as the job qualification move beyond "warm body".
The number one rule of HR is you don’t want employees knowing the salaries of other employees.
It’s actually a firing offense.
When you advertise the pay, you are telling the existing employees what the new employee is going to be paid.
Government is the only entity that posts salary ranges, and that’s because when you work for the government your salary is public information.
If “they” - my employer- impose mandates for masks or god forbid a vax mandate; fully 30% will walk. I’ll be one of them.
I’ve been on many job interviews and applied for many jobs over the years. I’ve gone on interviews when i had a job I liked, and was looking to make a career move. And I’ve gone on interviews when I was unemployed and eager to get a job.
If you are currently employed and like the job and seeking a career move, they can’t give you lowball offers, because you will just stay in your current job instead.
But if you are unemployed and can’t be as choosy about offers you would accept, that’s when you may take the job that doesn’t pay as well as you would like.
There is no reason to ascribe larceny to the company interviewer. In some cases, the applicant is being initially interviewed to find out which, of several, slots they might fit. The final offer could be for a project lead, a manager, or an individual contributor.
Your initial interviewer probably knows which slots are to be filled, but probably has no idea which you might be offered. They may not be the one to make that decision.
Go ahead and push real hard. If you are viewed as uncooperative you can talk yourself out of any slots. Instead, be pleasant as you try to find out where you might stand.
I am old. I have never interviewed for a job where the pay wasn’t mentioned up front. Is this a new thing or is it restricted to certain types of jobs?
Honestly, I wouldn’t go if I didn’t know how much it paid.
Well how in tarnation is someone supposed to know if the position pays enough to meet their needs?
Just ask before agreeing to go to an interview. Why waste your and their time?
As I read on the back of an airline magazine once, “You don’t get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.”
I start with two questions:
1) Is it 100% remote? If no, no need for the second question.
2) What does it pay?
= = = = =
Bingo.
Been doing remote work for over a decade and a half, and those are my first two questions, if it is not posted in the job listing. I don’t waste my time on companies that play games and refuse to answer.
My salary is public information because I work for the state. I had an interview with a corporate entity and they laughed when I told them what I made for what I did. They pay 25% more for something that is 10% of my job.
When I was young, I went through 6 months of interviews for a company...
At the last interview, they asked me how much I make. When I told her, she said, “ we are not paying that much to a guy without a masters degree...
I stood up, and at the top of my lungs screamed, then why are you wasting my time...
This company went out of business less than a year later...
First thing in an interview, I tell them what my payscale will be, and how much vacation time I expect...
This sorts out the losers from the pack
I have been successful when asked for a salary range, I reply that I don’t want to waste my time or theirs on the past.
Colorado requires the pay be included in job listings. However, the down side is that some firms are no longer seaking in Colorado.
https://www.businessinsider.com/firms-reject-colorado-workers-due-to-new-salary-law-2021-6?op=1
The laat nob I 2as interviewed for went that way, hr found me and arranged the interview, I sat down with the department head and the sction manager and it waant u til the end of the interview they told me theyd be “ i. Touch”. I also took several standardized tests. About 3 weeks later they made me an offer with salary amd position explained. Never talked salary in the i terview.. ut I pretty much knew what the job was paying thru contacts at the place.
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