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CDC reversal on indoor masking prompts experts to ask, ‘Where’s the data?’
The Washington compost ^ | July 29 2021 | Joel Achenbach, Yasmeen Abutaleb, Ben Guarino, Carolyn Y. Johnson

Posted on 07/29/2021 2:16:48 PM PDT by NoLibZone

New recommendations from federal health officials this week on when vaccinated Americans should don face masks came with a startling bolt of news: People who have had their shots and become infected with the delta variant of the coronavirus can harbor large amounts of virus just like unvaccinated people. That means they could become spreaders of the disease and should return to wearing masks indoors in certain situations, including when vulnerable people are present.

But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not publish the new research. In the text of the updated masking guidance, the agency merely cited “CDC COVID-19 Response Team, unpublished data, 2021.”

Some outside scientists have their own message: Show us the data.

“They’re making a claim that people with delta who are vaccinated and unvaccinated have similar levels of viral load, but nobody knows what that means,” said Gregg Gonsalves, an associate professor at the Yale School of Public Health. “It’s meaningless unless we see the data.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cdc; covid; fauci
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To: week 71

I believe in Science. I believe Scientists are human and thus fallible and corruptible. Especially so by grant money offered by a political process, on that last.


41 posted on 07/29/2021 3:15:37 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Mathews
According to Dan Crenshaw, the data came from India and was a single paper which FAILED peer review and was based on a vaccine not even available here in the states.

The paper reviewed folks who had been jabbed with the CCP-made Sinovax, not one of ones in use in the United States.

It's comparing apples to road apples.

42 posted on 07/29/2021 3:16:53 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Diogenesis

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

— H. L. Mencken


43 posted on 07/29/2021 3:17:28 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: lightman

Exactly! Crenshaw says that paper is the “data” used by the CDC to mandate masks.


44 posted on 07/29/2021 3:20:25 PM PDT by Mathews (It's all gravy, baby!)
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To: NoLibZone

Experts asking idiots for data... wonder where that will go.


45 posted on 07/29/2021 3:22:02 PM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: janetjanet998

I wouldn’t call that snapping. Being un able to respond intelligently maybe.


46 posted on 07/29/2021 3:22:04 PM PDT by moonhawk (Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party? Asking for a friend.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Exactly—that’s what I want to see. The data that shows that asymptomatic people, i.e. perfectly healthy people, are spreading a virus they don’t have enough of to be sick, if any at all, and infecting others.


47 posted on 07/29/2021 3:26:15 PM PDT by moonhawk (Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party? Asking for a friend.)
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To: NoLibZone

What few liberals I know stuff themselves with sugar and other carbs and are overweight-they only want others to eat healthy organic foods-not them...

I don’t consume any processed foods-organic and non-GMO for my table-only grass fed/free range, etc-and I’m not a liberal-just a naturalist-I don’t use drugs or get risky vaccines-like this one-either-I’ve had the Wuhan virus and have natural immunity...


48 posted on 07/29/2021 3:28:38 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line...")
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To: janetjanet998

Jussssst a little touchy.


49 posted on 07/29/2021 3:28:52 PM PDT by JennysCool ('It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.' - Mark Twain)
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To: Apparatchik

“.The fact is that many people who refused the vaccine are getting sick, which is their choice and their responsibility. But this makes the Biden Regime look bad, so now, in desperation, they are going to punish the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike to coerce more vaccinations, and they are not above lying to justify it...”

Right, I’m going to change my mind about the vaccine because Biden is making me wear a mask if I do? Got it....


50 posted on 07/29/2021 3:30:01 PM PDT by moonhawk (Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party? Asking for a friend.)
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To: Apparatchik

The only thing worse than a tyrant is a stupid tyrant.


51 posted on 07/29/2021 3:39:29 PM PDT by JennysCool ('It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.' - Mark Twain)
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To: NoLibZone

Rochelle sits around and watches CNN all day , that’s her Data


52 posted on 07/29/2021 3:44:54 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: NoLibZone

53 posted on 07/29/2021 3:50:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: NoLibZone
I got my mask ready.


54 posted on 07/29/2021 3:51:46 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: NoLibZone
Coronavirus Iceland’s Chief Epidemiologist Suggests COVID-19 Restrictions Could Last For Up to 15 Years
55 posted on 07/29/2021 3:52:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who shot Ashli Babbitt?)
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To: NoLibZone; All
"CDC reversal on indoor masking
prompts experts to ask,
‘Where’s the data?’...."


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56 posted on 07/29/2021 3:58:27 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: metmom

“Time to get out and make more shopping trips to prep for the new shutdowns looming.”

It’s going to get ugly...again! Grrrr!


57 posted on 07/29/2021 3:59:21 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: NoLibZone

"What do you need that information for?"
58 posted on 07/29/2021 4:07:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: Apparatchik
The fact is that many people who refused the vaccine are getting sick

The fact is that many people who blindly took the vaccine are getting sick.

There, fixed it for you.
59 posted on 07/29/2021 4:10:21 PM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths. )
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To: NoLibZone

“They will never published the data because it will show that those that have been vaccinated carry a higher viral load.”

^^^ WINNUH! ^^^

They are terrified because they’ve lost control of this. Look at the data from Israel. It’s almost a perfect mirror across age groups of the vaxed and infected.

We’re talking upwards of 80% infected with almost an equal percentage having been vaxed in an upper age group.

If it happened there, it can and will happen here. The distinction is that Israel signed on to the dotted line with Pfizer while in the US there are three vax companies being distributed at present.

No matter, the mighty transmissible Delta variant will get around, it will be far less lethal and cases will spike and then dramatically fall.

Just as the previous cycle. Many areas of the country are at herd immunity which will stave off the next Dr. Fallacy Apocalypse too.


60 posted on 07/29/2021 4:17:51 PM PDT by romanesq (TRUSTY THE PLAN! ChiCom Joe is the Plan? Que magnificent! 👹)
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