How long do vaccines last? The surprising answers may help protect people longer

Science Magazine ^ | April 18, 2019 | Jon Cohen

[DoodleBob]

...Recent studies show vaccines for mumps, pertussis, meningococcal disease, and yellow fever also lose their effectiveness faster than official immunization recommendations suggest. Vaccines have been a crucial public health tool for decades, so it may seem strange that their durability isn't well understood. But vaccines are approved and come to market years before it's clear how long protection lasts. Later, fading protection can go unnoticed because a vaccine in wide use has largely eliminated transmission of the microbes it protects against, making "breakthrough" infections rare. Even if viruses or bacteria are still in circulation, people vaccinated against them will sometimes receive natural boosting of their immunity. And declining vaccine immunity is not an all-or-nothing phenomenon: A breakthrough infection often leads to much less severe symptoms of the disease.

Researchers are ramping up efforts to figure out why some vaccines protect for mere weeks but others work for life. "We simply don't know what the rules are to inducing long-lasting immunity," says Plotkin, who began to research vaccines in 1957. "For years, we were making vaccines without a really deep knowledge of immunology. Everything of course depends on immunologic memory, and we have not systematically measured it."

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In a 2018 review of 11 recent studies on the durability of influenza vaccines, researchers concluded that effectiveness can vanish as soon as 90 days after vaccination. The article, published in Clinical Infectious Diseases, further noted that 20% of Americans received their flu vaccines for a given season by the end of September—which means the vaccine may do nothing come peak flu spread in January and February. "The further away you get from your vaccine, the higher the risk that you'll contract influenza," says study co-author Kunal Rambhia... "This has huge implications."

[DoodleBob]

This article is 2+ years old but highly relevant today.

The often quoted Vaccine Effectiveness (VE) figure of about 95% for Moderna reflects that eleven people came down with COVID19 from fourteen days after their second Moderna shot through the observation period (a median of nine weeks) vs 185 in the placebo group out of about 14,000 people in both groups. That's it...a median of nine weeks...no longer observation was provided (in part why it was granted EUA - it wasn't tracked over 2-3 years). Also, the quoted VE is likely elevated because almost all of the recipients of the messenger RNA felt terrible after the second shot and likely stayed home/weren't exposed to society as much as the placebo group.

It should not be surprising that these COVID19 shots have VE decay over time. It happens frequently as highlighted in this article, and with influenza vaccines as this graphic from a separate article shows.

I'm not saying 95% is bad. But cheering that VE was about 95% a median of nine weeks after the last shot is like cheering that Ozzy Osbourne was sober three hours after leaving rehab.

This is a major reason why so many people reject these shots - a lack of transparency, non fully-informed disclosure, and continued mayhem with reported case, hospitalization, and fatality statistics.

[lightman]

I have taken the seasonal flu vaccine for decades...ALWAYS in the latter half of October.

[Karl Spooner]

Something tells me this will not be a typical flu season.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tSkXa1FC1jCH/

[leaning conservative]

Always get mine the week before Thanksgiving.

[Jonty30]

So they will take me from 99.7% from being injured by covid to 99.985 from being injured.

They will go from 3,000/1 000,000 at risk to 150/1,000,000 being injured.

[lightman]

If the white coat is correct—that the Pfizer depresses the immune system—who the he# would want to take a “booster” that will do more of the same?

[End Times Sentinel]

I have taken the COVID shot. Mainly at the gentle urging of the lovely and beguiling Mrs. E.T.S., and it was kind of mandated by her extremely well paying job.
But even I, with a wife in the health care industry and a degree in biology, don't have any idea if that immunizes me from COVID, protects me from symptoms/death, or needing to wear a useless mask.
The self-assurance liberals have to dictate the actions of others, to whom they're “much more intelligent than” is frightening, but clearly predictable if you read any history at all.

[DoodleBob]

I said this before...these decisions are very personal. May people will see that bar chart on the influenza vaccine and say Yes-asap/Never/Yes-later. Maximizing every individual's utility curve isn't simple.

It the same with the COVID19 shots. People will look at that Moderna report (it's a dense read...Danielle Steele it isn't) and say "sign me up - 95% VE" and others will say "after only a few weeks of observation on a unreleased messenger RNA platform? NFW."

What should offend EVERYONE is conflating "science" with political science.

[alternatives?]

I guess I don’t see the relevance. The prior vaccines discussed in this article were not gene modification therapy. The new jabs are, so who knows what will happen?

[Jonty30]

Saving 95% of potential lives, from taking the vaccines, increases the number from 99.7% to 99.985%.

Forcing vaccination upon the population will save about 49,500 lives, who might not otherwise live.

[lightman]

The squishy-soft “sciences” are the ones in vogue these days.

[Renfrew]

Are you suggesting we should have done 3 years of studies on the vaccines before rolling them out? Three full years of lockdowns, masks, and deaths?

Decline seems a very manageable problem. Sure the vaccine may fade in time, but can’t we solve that by adding a Covid booster to our annual flu shot?

[Captain Walker]

Does your math take into consideration those who die from the vaccine?

(I don't see how it could; we still don't know what that number is.)

[Yaelle]

Flu can be pretty well prevented by not eating sweets, baked grains like bread, fruit, and taking 5000 iu vitamin D3 daily all fall til summer. Hit up the vitamin C and zinc and sleep more the second your throat feels sore or other early flu symptoms. I get exposed to flus and do that, and wake up fine.

[Jonty30]

I didn’t take the into account. It’s probably a wash on that point, with equal people dying from the vaccine and those who would have been saved by the vaccine.

[Captain Walker]

Are you suggesting we should have done 3 years of studies on the vaccines before rolling them out? Three full years of lockdowns, masks, and deaths?

We could have done what an advanced country like Sweden did; we would have had this thing behind us already. (Allow the healthy to conduct their lives as normal and keep the at-risk parties sheltered.)

Nobody in Sweden seems to be cowering from Covid the way far too many Americans are.

[Captain Walker]

I didn’t take the into account. It’s probably a wash on that point, with equal people dying from the vaccine and those who would have been saved by the vaccine.

Thank you for your candor.

Unfortunately, a lot of the people dying from the vaccine are young and healthy; they would have almost certainly tackled the illness without even flinching. Many of those dying from Covid, on the other hand, usually have one foot in the grave with co-morbidities.

While I'm not in the business of putting human lives on a scale, the old medical adage of, "First, do no harm" would seem to encourage us to put the brakes on pushing an experimental shot on those in excellent shape to fight the illness.

[Thunder90]

Some are calling for two flu shots, one in September and another in January.

[saintgermaine]

ALTERNATIVE SAFE WAYS TO KEEP YOUR RESISTANCE UP & FIGHT COVID -19. AS WELL AS A HOST OF OTHER INFECTIONS INCLUDING THE FLU.

THIS REGIME WILL “NOT” PREVENT YOU FROM CATCHING THIS CRAZY VIRUS BUT IF YOU DO, IT WILL HELP TO SHAKE IT OFF FAIRLY QUICK, IT WILL ALSO WORK AGAINST OTHER RELATED VIRUSES; NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WILL BENEFITS YOUR HEALTH AS WELL, IF YOU CATCH THIS VIRUS OR NOT. EITHER WAY YOU WIN. ALONG WITH IT YOU WILL HAVE AQUIRED NATURAL IMMUNITY WITOUT ANY SHORT OR LONG TERM ADVERSE SIDE EFFECTS.

There are other ways and means to enhance your resistance against viruses including that by now infamous covid-19 virus aside from taking any of these “Quick” developed vaccines utilizing a messenger RNA. So far science has not evolved far enough yet to be certain how the human body will react many month or years down the road once we start tinkering around with our RNA and how our bodies will react should we encounter mutated strains of similar viruses.

Below is a list of vitamins as well as nutrients SUGGESTED BY A PHYSICIAN to enhance your resistance, they are harmless and even beneficial to your body unless someone goes crazy and over doing it. Even so they will NOT protect you from getting any specific viruses; neither will any of those new “QUICK” developed vaccines. But not only will they make you more resistant but also help you to overcome the effects of such a virus more quickly, should you have bad luck getting it. And once you are over it, your natural immune system will take over and protect you considerably better than any vaccination, this according to a statement by Merck. The CATCH is to have these vitamins/nutrients in your system BEFORE you think you have caught this virus, as time is of essence so your system starts fighting the virus BEFORE it gets a chance to do any damage.

A suggestion to the wise, take some time and read up on each of these suggested components which is freely available on the internet.

Vitamin D — Vitamin D supplements are readily available and one of the least expensive supplements on the market. All things considered, vitamin D optimization is likely the easiest and most beneficial strategy that anyone can do to minimize their risk of COVID-19 and other infections, and can strengthen your immune system in a matter of a few weeks.

N-acetylcysteine (NAC) — NAC is a precursor to reduced glutathione, which appears to play a crucial role in COVID-19. According to one literature analysis,7 glutathione deficiency may actually be associated with COVID-19 severity, leading the author to conclude that NAC may be useful both for its prevention and treatment. For best results should always be taken with two to three times the amount of vitamin C.

Zinc — Zinc plays a very important role in your immune system’s ability to ward off viral infections.

Like vitamin D, zinc helps regulate your immune function8 — and a combination of zinc with a zinc ionophore, like hydroxychloroquine or quercetin, was in 2010 shown to inhibit SARS coronavirus in vitro. In cell culture, it also blocked viral replication within minutes.9 Importantly, zinc deficiency has been shown to impair immune function.

Melatonin — Boosts immune function in a variety of ways and helps quell inflammation. Melatonin may also prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection by recharging glutathione11 and enhancing vitamin D synthesis, among other things.

Vitamin C — A number of studies have shown vitamin C can be very helpful in the treatment of viral illnesses, sepsis and ARDS,12 all of which are applicable to COVID-19. Its basic properties include anti-inflammatory, immunomodulatory, antioxidant, antithrombotic and antiviral activities. At high doses, it actually acts as an antiviral drug, actively inactivating viruses. Vitamin C also works synergistically with quercetin.

Quercetin — Quercetin is the most abundant dietary flavonoid, found enriched in cranberry, onions, blueberry, apples, and tea. As a polyphenol compound, it is ALSO considered a potent iron chelator. A powerful immune booster and broad-spectrum antiviral, quercetin was initially found to provide broad-spectrum protection against SARS coronavirus in the aftermath of the 2003 SARS epidemic,14,15,16 and evidence suggests it may be useful for the prevention and treatment of SARS-CoV-2 as well. Not only that but quercetin also acts as an ionophore for zinc similar to hydroxychloroquine, in a matter of speaking it will unlock the cells to let the zinc in where it can attack the virus . It is also a good pain killer and better for the human body than Aspirin, what helps to subdue arthritis pain. I is good for sinus infection, in other words if you happen to have a runny nose. Past studies have also shown that quercetin showed potent ability against some viruses, such as enterovirus, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), and the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV).

B vitamins — B vitamins can also influence several COVID-19-specific disease processes, including17 viral replication and invasion, cytokine storm induction, adaptive immunity and hypercoagulability.

SUGGESTED DOSAGE

All components as suggested are individually obtained and freely available and if used with some common sense are not harmful and if anything beneficial to your health. However it is a good idea and highly recommended to read up on each component, as there is plenty of information available on the internet. You may be surprised to find out and learn about the many benefits they provide to your health.
Here is a suggested approximate dosage for each.

Vitamin D 1500 IU

Malatonine 3mg to 6mg suggested about one hour before you go to sleep.

QUERCETIN 500 mg to 1000 mg

NAC 500 mg to 1000 mg

Zinc 50 mg

Vitamin C 1500 mg or MORE !! but always should be to two three times as much as NAC

Vitamin B complex

So far whoever has been taking this regime of supplements and may have had a brush with this virus, shook it off fairly easily and quickly and the most important thing was that in the process such a person also acquired natural immunity. Not only that but at the same time this regime also helps to ease the effects of the regular flu.

Some of user’s comments:

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4/15/2021, 10:49:29 AM • 27 of 28
Chauncey Gardiner to saintgermaine
Good post.
I have been on that same vitamin regimen since April 2020 along with approx 25 friends/family members. All of us socially active...restaurants, church, weddings, travel, etc. In other words, we’ve not changed our lives the past year. Not a one of us has tested positive and not a one has even had a cold. I’ve added hydroxychloroquine 200mg each Sunday starting about 6 mos ago.

Mississippi man partially paralyzed, unable to talk after J&J vaccine
4/16/2021, 6:48:45 PM • 37 of 39
upchuck to saintgermaine

Excellent regimen. Pretty much what I’ve been doing. I have been taking 5000 iu of Vit D3 per day for years and have never been sick (thank you Lord). With the China Virus, I upped it to 10,000 iu. I think zinc and quercetin are the most important.
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5/21/2021, 7:41:23 AM • 52 of 52
jimjohn to saintgermaine
Been on similar regimens since August of 2020. Attended parties public events even a professional football game. Oh, and I fall in the high-risk category.
Also posted recently about hearing friends and associates who’ve taken the jab complain about the after effects.
Also note that my position would not recommend that I take this experimental vaccine.

[Karl Spooner]

I know. The vaccines are even backed by eugenicists, too. Let me know when you figure it out.