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Secessionist, Border Realignment Movements Gaining Traction in US
epoch times ^ | 20 July A.D. 2021 | Alan Stein

Posted on 07/20/2021 7:21:11 PM PDT by lightman

The American Civil War is often thought of as being the deciding historical factor putting to rest any future ambition of individual or groups of states wanting to secede from the union.

Well over a century later, the idea of secession appears far from settled in the minds of millions of Americans—Democrats and Republicans alike.

In fact, secession mindedness has been gaining ground following the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections, which showed the nation to be more politically divided than ever.

A newly released poll found that two-thirds (66 percent) of Republicans living in southern states, including Texas and Florida, would approve of seceding from the United States to join a union of southern states.

Among southern Democrats, 20 percent are in favor of breaking away and forming a new country, according to the latest poll by YouGov and Bright Line Watch of 2,750 Americans.

For Daniel Miller, president of the Texas Nationalist Movement, founded in 2005, the poll numbers are revealing but not surprising.

Similar polls conducted in the Lone Star State have also shown a willingness among Texans to leave the union and establish their own nation—a Texit, if you will. “You look at the size of our movement—we are literally the largest political advocacy organization in the state” with over 400,000 members, Miller told The Epoch Times in a phone interview.

At the very core of the state’s secessionist movement is the belief that Texas is “past the breaking point” in terms of dealing with a liberal Washington establishment and its unfavorable policies regarding border control, immigration, culture, and finance, Miller said. “We are being crushed by 180,000 pages of federal laws, rules and regulations every single day. What we want is a basic fundamental right of self-governance. Texans want to be able to create policies that can’t be overridden [by Washington politicians],” Miller said. “That is what this movement is all about.”

Throughout his speaking engagements, Miller said, “I couldn’t find anyone that would vote to join the union.” Miller said Texas House Bill 1359 would have allowed Texans to vote in a referendum on the question of whether the state should leave the union and establish an independent republic. The bill died in committee. In the aftermath, the Texas Nationalist Movement has been “quietly” recruiting secessionist-minded candidates to run in the 2022 primary.

The organization is also working to garner 80,000 signatures necessary to petition for a non-binding advisory ballot vote on the Texit proposal. The measure would need a simple majority to pass.

Miller, however, said it would be up to the newly configured legislature to “put the next steps in place for full withdrawal.”

“This is not a ‘mother may I?’ movement,” he said. “If the federal government needed a new motto, it’s ‘one size fits none.'”

The Calexit movement in California is another breakaway effort whose goal is to divide the rural portions of the state from the coastal and liberal bastions to create the 51st state.

In Arizona, the liberal-led Baja Arizona movement in 2011 sought to split the state into two separate states over the increasing partisan divide between the more conservative north and liberal southern areas.

The non-binding initiative failed to gather the required number of signatures to place the measure on the 2012 election ballot.

Other lesser known separatist movements in the United States have sprung up in states such as Vermont, Hawaii, and Alaska, though not all currently active movements desire secession from the United States.

The Greater Idaho movement, for example, seeks a political merger of the rural eastern and southern counties in Oregon with neighboring conservative Idaho. “After Trump was elected the first time, in January 2017 Oregonians submitted a petition to place secession from the U.S. on the state ballot, and were only convinced to retract the petition by death threats,” according to a Greater Idaho statement to The Epoch Times.

“One of our concerns is that after an economic depression, or after a more muscular Republican is elected president, conditions might deteriorate to the point that Oregon may choose to secede from the U.S. Eastern and southern Oregon certainly wouldn’t want to join northwestern Oregon in such an adventure, because our counties belong with Idaho.”

The Cascadia secession movement, which proposes a union of Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia in Canada as a single “bioregion,” in Oregon is broadly supported, and “held back by the ‘normalcy bias’ of people expecting the future to look like the present,” the Greater Idaho statement added.

“We admit that if the border of Oregon and Idaho were relocated as we propose, that northwestern Oregon would be more likely to be able to secede from the U.S., but that’s a chance we’re willing to take because our counties certainly don’t want to be stuck with [liberal] Portland.”

The organization added, “We are confident that we will convince Idaho to accept our counties. Congress usually approves interstate compacts approved by both blue and red state[s]. We expect that the chances of the Greater Idaho movement being successful [will] depend entirely on whether we are able to convince northwestern Oregon to let our counties go.”

According to Hans A. von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, which promotes conservative public policies, the question of state secession was settled by the Civil War.

However, while border realignments between states are within the realm of congressional approval, he said, “the practical difficulties are so great” that they are unlikely to occur.

Regarding state secession, “it’s not an area where we’ve been keeping our fingers” on recent activity, von Spakovsky said.

In West Virginia, state Rep. Gary Howell, a Republican, is sponsoring a resolution inviting conservative Virginia counties to dissolve their borders and join West Virginia.

Such a “Vexit” measure would require the approval of both states’ legislatures. Howell added that the benefits of the proposal are many.

“You can elect every liberal you want and have the liberal utopia you want,” he said regarding the liberal counties in Virginia.

That number is up from 50 percent from a similar poll conducted earlier this year

There won’t be anybody standing in their way. This is a very serious offer to them. We have looked at the numbers. We want Virginia to make an actual request and hold a referendum in all counties [involved]. If they don’t make the ask, [the counties] have to be released from Virginia in some form.”

“You’ve got cities in the western part of Virginia saying, ‘We’re done with you,’” Howell added. “Is [Vexit] unlikely to happen? Probably. It’s a long shot, but the odds are not zero.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Virginia; US: Washington; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: calexit; greateridaho; secession; vexit
Forget RED States and BLUE States.

The issue is FREE States and FEAR States!

1 posted on 07/20/2021 7:21:11 PM PDT by lightman
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To: lightman

Problem in Florida, with cruising, the CDC is in Georgia.

Move the CDC to D.C. and you got a deal !!


2 posted on 07/20/2021 7:29:38 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: lightman

In the end, it will come down to if folks believe enough to man a checkpoint or conduct patrols.


3 posted on 07/20/2021 7:38:09 PM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: lightman

Been calling for this for 16 years.


4 posted on 07/20/2021 7:48:54 PM PDT by MachIV
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To: All

Anyone speak fluent Chinese?


5 posted on 07/20/2021 7:51:45 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: lightman

“According to Hans A. von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation,”

That is the argument I always hear. But, if states simply quit and refuse to follow federal policies, what is that called?
What is it called when the Federal Government refuses to follow its own laws?


6 posted on 07/20/2021 7:53:11 PM PDT by crz
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To: lightman

My buddy lived in NoVA for thirty years and couldn’t take it anymore. He sold his house and moved to Bluefield, WV last year, and he loves it. NoVA was varying shades of purple when I last lived there, had a good job, a potential future, but when my (now) wife said she wanted to move back to Alabama, I had a U-Haul at the front door as soon as we had a house rental lined up down here. I told her, ‘I’ll worry about a job when I get there. Let’s go.’


7 posted on 07/20/2021 7:53:28 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Remember, all the world’s a barstool.)
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To: rockrr

Better to divide while we have some marrow in the bones vs. being bled dry trying to keep it together until the individual states are so weak it all collapses.


8 posted on 07/20/2021 7:53:52 PM PDT by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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To: lightman

Very interesting post!


9 posted on 07/20/2021 8:04:54 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: GraceG

So we take up arms against our neighbors and hope that we have anything left when we face the Chinese hordes?

I really hadn’t thought of that strategy. I’ll have to ponder this a bit. I’m sure they haven’t thought of it either.


10 posted on 07/20/2021 8:07:35 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

No, we sue for the right of peaceful sepration


11 posted on 07/20/2021 8:08:21 PM PDT by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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To: rockrr

Do we really have anything in common with the masked-up Nannystatists?


12 posted on 07/20/2021 8:08:58 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: lightman

Free States and Communist States.

A peaceful division is preferable to the alternative.


13 posted on 07/20/2021 8:18:14 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: lightman
“According to Hans A. von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, which promotes conservative public policies, the question of state secession was settled by the Civil War.”

That is pure, unadulterated BS. We could argue that all of the rights in the Bill of Rights was settled when those ten amendments were ratified. Yet Fedzilla tramples all over them every day of the week. They act as if they don’t exist, especially the Tenth. So they are clearly NOT “settled.”

Now Congress is poised to federalize all national elections in plain contravention of the Constitution.

All of those matters were long considered “settled.” If those core principals of our self-governance are NOT settled in our founding legal documents, then why should secession have been settled by a war?

14 posted on 07/20/2021 8:24:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Criminal democrats kill babies, folks. Do you think anything else is a problem for them?” ~ joma89)
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To: lightman

When this was hot more than a decade ago, some western Canadian provinces talked about leaving Canada to join the US.


15 posted on 07/20/2021 10:11:22 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters. )
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To: lightman
NO! Secession NEVER! Get rid the scum in DC. But damn it we're The United States of America. Members of my family fought in two world wars to keep it that way. So did many Freepers families and Freepers themselves. Are we to become some Balkanized mess of different states, regions and territories? What if some state decides to align itself with China or some other s**t hole country? Good God didn't we learn the lesson of 1861-85?
16 posted on 07/20/2021 10:49:26 PM PDT by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses . Now governed by idiots.)
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To: lightman

Typo.’’1861-65’’. Damned old middle aged eyesight!


17 posted on 07/20/2021 10:51:47 PM PDT by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses . Now governed by idiots.)
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To: MachIV

I’m getting old now, but I keep praying for the GREAT STATE OF JEFFERSON!


18 posted on 07/21/2021 12:05:57 AM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: lightman

I think secession the only chance to avert a bloodbath. Everybody gets the laws they want be it the Left Coast and the Northeast or the South/Midwest/non Left Coast West.

Otherwise its just going to be an ever escalating fight for control over the federal government in order to impose laws on others that they are bitterly opposed to.


19 posted on 07/21/2021 5:33:51 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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