Posted on 07/01/2021 7:01:38 AM PDT by Mariner
Conservatives claim that schools are indoctrinating students in “critical race theory.” Liberals argue that conservatives don’t even know what critical race theory is — and that if they did, they’d realize teachers aren’t actually exposing kids to it.
But a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll suggests that the roiling culture war over so-called CRT isn’t about whether today’s schoolchildren are suddenly probing the complexities of an academic approach to race that originated among legal scholars in the mid-1970s.
Rather, the clash over CRT — aside from whatever the term now connotes in the public imagination — appears to be a supercharged spinoff of a deeper dispute between conservatives and pretty much every other group in the United States.
(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...
They are NOT teaching CRT in the elementary schools.
They are teaching the central, fundamental tenets of CRT in elementary schools.
Conservatives need to be able to differentiate.
That's right, and as the enemy has breached the wall and we're fighting hand-to-hand, some "conservatives" suggest we take the time to delve into shades of gray. It's no wonder we're getting our azzes kicked.
Bingo! In a nutshell.
So far, up to this post, it appears none have actually read the article.
I read it. “systemic” is collective, something any liberty-loving American would oppose. It is also an effort to enforce group-think. Racism and discrimination are individual characteristics and immoral in practice but so is liberal dishonesty and duplicity in their defense of CRT.
Teachers are not parents. The treatment of people, like sex, should be educated by the parents. We did with ours and it worked out quite well. And now that the kids are being bombarded with racial opinions that are contrary to traditional thoughts, like sex preferences, bathroom uses, and that the decisions being made by the kids are being turned into an attack based upon race and gender whether they are or are not legit, is the outcome.
So much for a creditable education when the schools are so busy teaching life theories they are failing to advance students that are literate or need a calculator for basic math.
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>>appears to be a supercharged spinoff of a deeper dispute between conservatives and pretty much every other group in the United States.
“every other group” apparently doesn’t have any poiltical ideology. < /sarc >
One of the left’s main arguments seems to be that what they are teaching in the schools is not critical race theory because the teaching materials don’t CALL it critical race theory. But call it what you like, the message is basically the same: whites bad and privileged, everyone else good and oppressed.
In a nutshell: “Systemic racism” means that the aggrieved groups must be allowed to destroy and replace the system as a whole. It means that the non-aggrieved groups must voluntarily become subjugated.
Whereas individual racism is a choice of the individual, and can be addressed by other members of society in their social interactions with the racist.
Individual racism empowers individuals to address the problem, whereas systemic requires the majority to bow down to their new overlords.
Systemic is a farce.
And that’s what CRT teaches, so I’m not sure of the point you’re trying make.
But then there's this from Press:
For example, leading CRT scholars such as Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic in their book, "Must We Defend Nazis? Why the First Amendment Should Not Protect Hate Speech and White Supremacy," argue for curtailment of "dangerous" speech. I don't have to be a legal scholar to believe that's a very dangerous idea.And there are intelligent ways to improve the document as well as self-defeating ways. CRT scholars tend to call attention to those historical flaws to undermine other American values that I would just as soon leave alone.
What Press fails (or refuses) to grasp is that the "tendency" he describes is in fact the entire point of critical race theory: like the Frankfurt School critical theory that spawned it, critical race theory is a post-Marxist doctrine aimed at undermining, through criticism, liberal Western institutions that, in the mind of its proponents, stand in the way of revolutionary socialism.
The great irony is that the real targets of critical race theorists are not conservatives, but liberals like Press and the liberal values they used to champion, like pluralism, freedom of expression, and equality before the law. But those liberals, like many of the liberals who answered the YouGov poll, have no clue of this.
No, that is what the leftist proponents of critical race theory would like you to believe. Establishing that concept, which you seem to have adopted, implies several things. The first is that the analysis, premise, and theory which the proponents of critical race theory expound is valid and true. The second is that there is a defined population of people who don't believe in the concepts of critical race theory, when in fact such a group may not actually exist except in terms of some survey results.
I would suggest that most people don't even know what the definition of systemic racism is based on critical race theory. They may have their own idea of what the phrase could mean, but those definitions are themselves going to vary between people. It is entirely possible that people who are aware of some kinds of racism that have been or are currently implemented by governmental bodies or institutions will say "yes, there is systemic racism" but they are not using the phrase in the same way as someone who is applying critical race theory.
And they can NOT even define racism...
I read the article and I liked it. It’s still BS.
Conservatives need to be able to differentiate.
That's a ridiculous argument. That is like saying they aren't teaching math in elementary schools because they aren't teaching about Reiman manifolds or Fermat's contribution to number theory.
I don't know about you but the conservatives I know are able to understand that you can and normally do teach the "fundamental tenets" of a concept to elementary school students and leave the arcane details for later. But teaching the fundamentals is broadly the same as teaching the concepts that later get elaborated on in more advanced classes.
Teaching basic racism, and a model of group based identity and responsibility to elementary students is still wrong, even if you are holding off on the more advanced topics until they are older.
I suggest applying a simple test to materials of the sort advocated by the supporters of teaching the fundamental tenets of CRT in elementary school. Just replace "white" with another word like "black" or "jewish" or "gay" and see if you are comfortable with the lesson plans then.
As Time magazine reported in a recent cover story, “conservative advocacy groups, legal organizations and state legislatures” have “mounted a campaign to weaponize” the term because they believe that “fighting it will be a winning electoral message.”We're not against it just to score political points.
“That is like saying they aren’t teaching math in elementary schools because they aren’t teaching about Reiman manifolds or Fermat’s contribution to number theory. “
My argument is exactly the opposite.
Riled up about that,and election fraud,invasion at our Southern Border,energy prices,a senile President,a cackling incompetent Vice President whose only achievement is sleeping her way to the top,a communist media,a corrupt intelligence community
“We’re not against it just to score political points.”
Hopefully we’re in it to win.
And that includes scoring political points.
I think I just said that....they are designing the lesson plans with the goals and assumptions of CRT in mind; they aren’t teaching the whole theory. That is what the parents are fighting, the mistruths being taught as true history and civics.
Unless you were just agreeing with me.
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