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It’s Time To Bring Back Prayer In Public Schools
The Federalist ^ | June 4, 2021 | David Marcus

Posted on 06/04/2021 8:06:25 AM PDT by Kaslin

For several decades now, American society has operated under a false assumption that banning prayer in public schools is irrevocable settled science.


Two recent bills before state legislatures have shone a new light on a half-century of controversy. In Alabama, a 30-year ban on the teaching of yoga has been dropped, and in Florida state officials are seeking to make two minutes of silence for prayer or reflection a mandatory part of school days.

Both of these developments are positive steps to fill a hole in the education of our children. Put simply, they open the door to a restoration of prayer in public schools.

For several decades now, American society has operated under a false assumption that banning prayer in public schools is irrevocable settled science. This belief, and it is very much a belief, is rooted in the 1962 Supreme Court case Engel v. Vitale in which the Warren court found 6-1 that school-sponsored prayer violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

The suit was brought in New York state by parents who objected to the non-denominational prayer that referenced “Almighty God” in Hyde Park, New York. It is important to note that the parents lost their case before the Supreme Court of New York, the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court of New York, and the Court of Appeals of New York, only to achieve victory in the nation’s highest court. So this was anything but an open and shut, obvious decision.

Writing for the majority, Justice Hugo Black opined that, “the First Amendment was added to the Constitution to stand as a guarantee that neither the power nor the prestige of the Federal Government would be used to control, support or influence the kinds of prayer the American people can say.”

This is a strange construction given that prayer always has been and remains a mainstay of government activity. Congress opens each day with a prayer, and in a 5-4 decision in 2014, the court found in favor of Greece, New York’s practice of opening monthly meetings with Christian prayer. That decision was supported by both Barack Obama and Mitch McConnell.

Prayer Is Allowed, But Is It Valued?

This mixed bag of jurisprudence indicates it is not at all clear that opening government meetings or public school days with prayer is the equivalent of the state “establishing” an official religion. This was a point made by Justice Potter Stewart, the lone dissenter in the Engel case. This leaves our communities with a choice. The prohibition on school prayer was not graven in stone; it was and is still a very open question.

The question before parents and politicians is not so much whether the Constitution allows for prayer in school, but whether there is value in it. Both Alabama and Florida, by legislating in favor of yoga and prayer, have taken positive steps to restore the ability of public schools to embrace and encourage in students an understanding of the world that goes beyond pure materialism. This is something that our society deeply needs.

Traditionally, the objection to school prayer has been that it is discriminatory against atheists and members of minority religions. But moments of silence in which prayer is encouraged, and even prayers offered to a nonspecific “Almighty God” do nothing to discriminate against either group, which is why prayer is not banned in Congress. In the case of atheists, it can be argued that their position, which is no longer fringe or condemned by society, is in fact given government sanction by banning school prayer.

The question of prayer in school and whether our children should be educated with the assumptions of atheists speaks to the national heritage of our country, one that prohibitions on prayer help to erase. When the Declaration of Independence asserted that “all men are created equal,” it was not presented as the learned opinion of our founding fathers but as a self-evident fact, the recognition of rights given by God, not man.

Our Children Need Faith

Opening our children’s school days with prayers to God sends the vital message that their value, their place in our world is not a matter of their skin color, or level of oppression, their sex, or any other immutable characteristic. They are, rather, of equal and immeasurable worth in the eyes of their Creator. The invocation of that God not only connects them to our national heritage, but to the development of the Christian West, and more broadly, as in the practice of yoga, to a universal impulse in human history to ask the help of a higher power.

When the Supreme Court banned school prayer in 1962, it existed within a dominant culture of Christian faith. That is decidedly no longer the case. It may have seemed impossible then that our nation would move in the direction of godlessness. They may well have believed that the practice of faith would endure even with the government actively erasing it from aspects of public life. Alas, this has not been the case as more and more Americans move away from faith.

Historically, governments that seek to erase religion in such ways have murderous track records; such as we have seen in modern China. This is precisely why our founders connected rights protected by government to a God who endows them. If our rights are mere matters of mortal opinion, then a host of horribles from repression to genocide can be defended as moves towards a common good. After all, in that case we decide what that is, right?

It is time for those of us who believe that rights are not possible without a God who bestows them to fight for that principle in our public lives and that of our children. There is no reason to be shy in this fight. There is no reason to believe that a general prayer in thanks to an Almighty God does any harm whatsoever to any child who hears or participates in it.

God is a vital concept in the American experience. We erase Him at our peril. It is not too late to restore this vital keystone to the basic political and social philosophy of our nation.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: atheist; christianfaith; education; faith; firstamendment; god; prayer; publicschools; religion; rights; school; scotus; yoga
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1 posted on 06/04/2021 8:06:25 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Yeah…this will never happen.

I would prefer they teach reading. Or even some math.


2 posted on 06/04/2021 8:09:44 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Kaslin

And what do we do when the local Imam is allowed to come in and lead the prayers?

Children need to learn to pray at home and know that they can talk to their Saviour anytime, even while sitting at their school desk - one on One.


3 posted on 06/04/2021 8:12:08 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: Kaslin
WAAAAAAYYYY PAST TIME!!

Kicking GOD and His Son, Jesus, out of our Blessed Country, has caused ALL the Problems we have......ABORTION, SEXUAL PERVERSION, SEXUAL EVERYTHING, TRANSGENDERISM, HORRIBLE SCHOOLS, CORRUPT GOVERNMENT, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, MARXISTS, etc.

4 posted on 06/04/2021 8:16:01 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kaslin

As long as there are final exams there will be prayer in public schools.


5 posted on 06/04/2021 8:18:07 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (NUKE MECCA. ABOLISH THE DEA, IRS, AND ATF)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

Exactly.

Anything the government does to promote or protect Christianity it must, by law, also do for Islam.

Nobody can be stopped from praying by anything other than death; public, organized prayer is the function of CHURCHES.


6 posted on 06/04/2021 8:19:37 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (NUKE MECCA. ABOLISH THE DEA, IRS, AND ATF)
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To: Kaslin

It’s never too late for Obvious Man.


7 posted on 06/04/2021 8:19:50 AM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope. )
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To: Kaslin
.... two minutes of silence ....

I would like that enforced for AOC, Maxine, Schumer, Don Lemon, Tapper, Rachel Maddow.....

Just a little peace and quiet.

8 posted on 06/04/2021 8:20:35 AM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: Kaslin

Should have never been taken out. In 5th grade our teacher would lead us in prayer in the morning. Or a moment of silence to pray. Short prayer and pledge of allegiance. I remember being young and teacher teaching us songs. This land is my land and songs like that.


9 posted on 06/04/2021 8:20:44 AM PDT by glimmerman70
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To: Vermont Lt
How about teaching History, or speaking correctly. Things like "Me and my..." Make my eyes roll. I was taught by my teachers to always name the other person first and than continue with and I

Anyway there is so much they should teach, but don't

10 posted on 06/04/2021 8:21:03 AM PDT by Kaslin (Joe BidTheen will never be my President, and neither will Kamala Harris)
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To: frank ballenger

Absolutely.


11 posted on 06/04/2021 8:23:25 AM PDT by Kaslin (Joe BidTheen will never be my President, and neither will Kamala Harris)
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To: Kaslin

Well, it would not even be possible to agree on pronouns for the God to whom generic prayers would be addressed. Does anyone think two minutes of strenuously enforced silence in the typical classroom would improve anyone’s spirituality?


12 posted on 06/04/2021 8:31:03 AM PDT by edweena
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To: Kaslin

Frankly one hell of a lot of conservatives seem to never have learned that “Leftist”, “Marxist”, and “Terrorist” are singular, not plural. I cringe at, and of course ignore any writer who can’t get those right. Can’t count the number of times I see “Then the terrorist win” here.


13 posted on 06/04/2021 8:32:12 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (NUKE MECCA. ABOLISH THE DEA, IRS, AND ATF)
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To: Kaslin

Public schools have no place in a free nation. Screw the prayers. Just close the damn schools.


14 posted on 06/04/2021 8:34:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: RedStateRocker

There are a lot of loosers who don’t know how to spell. :-P


15 posted on 06/04/2021 8:36:49 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Kaslin
I strongly support prayer at home; not in publicly funded institutions like public school. There are people of many religions attending America's public schools and it is absolutely unfair to have prayers of one religion be forced on kids of other religions. I have personal experience with this. I am Jewish. My parents were Jewish, too, but not religious. That I took on myself 45 years ago and never looked back. But I always had a strong Jewish self-identity. In the public schools I attended, anti-semitism was very much alive and well. In elementary school, I had a kid call me a kike--right before I bloodied his face with a length of bike chain I was using on my bike at the moment. In jr. high, the music teacher put me out in the hall during class because I refused to sing Xmas carols, knocking me off the honor roll that semester. I had a teacher tell me in high school that my "skull would have made a great paperweight; Hitler knew what to do with you people". I had another teacher put his arm around me, declaring, "I love Jewish people" when it was obvious he didn't. Do you think I was going to utter prayers foreign to my religion and declare adoration to deities not part of my religion? And how I used to love Xmas time and Easter, when otherwise non-religious students would "remember" that "You Jews killed JC!" and fling that accusation at me and the 10 other Jewish students. How utterly pleasant it was to be targeted with suspicion and scorn for weeks at those times of the year. Not.

School is not the proper venue to teach religion--the HOME is. Parents must teach this, not leave it to a government-funded institution. Schools can be fine places to learn math, English, science and American history, but not religion.

16 posted on 06/04/2021 8:50:11 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s “losers”.


17 posted on 06/04/2021 9:15:58 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the left, truth is right-wing extremism.⭐⭐)
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To: Kaslin

As of later years, when people “got smart and saw prayer as bad”... yeah... there are people out there who have no sense.

When I was a kid in school, they had prayer if anyone wanted to and no prayer if no one wanted to. It didn’t matter.. it was not thought of as evil... it was a part of everyone’s life. The 3rd grade teacher said a prayer before lunch, for as many years she taught. we had a church type program just about every week... no one complained. We ... the whole school.. walked to the local church for Good Friday Services.. no one complained.

They just want to raise a stink to show they are so smart.. when they are low on the learning scale...

Then one day a daughter in law of a friend from way back... said she’d take her kids out of school if they brought the bible back in school. I wanted to kick her, but she was on one of those social things bragging about how free she was.

I see them as unnecessarily rebellious over nothing to fear but they fear it anyway... heaven forbid one of her kids learned a bible verse... the youth has become the rebellion of the year... every year.. they don’t have common sense but they do know how to cause a ruckus... just for the heck of it.

back when I was on FB, she was sounding off on things she thought she knew. I knew who she was but she didn’t know who I was. I knew her mother in law from childhood.. I knew that mother’s father also that long... he registered me to vote my very first time.
as she went on and I was engaging her... I finally ask her what “joe blow”...(I said his real name) would think abut all this today... she shut up for a bit... so I went on to tell her I grew up with that family in our neighborhood. She came back on to say she was taught to respect her elders and so she had no more to say.

I knew her to be a smart >>>> so I enjoyed stopping her with her friends on board also.. never hurt ... she still does not know who I was... and FB is a thing of the past for me.


18 posted on 06/04/2021 9:22:56 AM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: Kaslin

Not sad at all Madalyn Murray O’Hair is rotting in the ground.


19 posted on 06/04/2021 9:27:57 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Kaslin

How about just math? Real math…not the common corps obfuscation. And no woke CRT crap!


20 posted on 06/04/2021 9:47:45 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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