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When the dust settles, politically, Hamas will win
American Thinker.com ^ | May 16, 2021 | Barry Shaw

Posted on 05/16/2021 4:24:40 AM PDT by Kaslin

The biggest loser from the ongoing Hamas rocket barrage is not Israel. It’s Mahmoud Abbas.

He was already losing before Hamas opened fire. He is now down and out. A totally irrelevant figure in the recent unrest.

What was the spark that lit both the violence on the Arab street and the Hamas rockets? It was the decision of Mahmoud Abbas to, once again, call for a Palestinian election. What else is new? He has been doing it regularly ever since he lost the initial Palestinian election in 2006. Then, Hamas candidates won 44.45% of the vote and 74 of the 132 seat chamber, while Fatah received 41.43% of the vote and only 45 seats.

One result of these elections was a bloody Palestinian civil war when Abbas’s Fatah party tried to impose Palestinian Authority rule in the Gaza Strip. When the Palestinians are not united in hating Israel and Jews they are fighting and untrusting of each other.

The elections were called off by Abbas, who claimed that Israel refused to allow Jerusalem Arabs to vote. This is not true. In previous elections non-Israel Arab residents of Jerusalem were allowed to vote outside the city boundaries. In other words, Mahmoud Abbas’s excuse was a deception. Why? Because surveys showed him losing both in the popular vote against Hamas, but also failing numbers in the election for president. His presidential rivals included businessman Mohammad Dahlan, exiled by Abbas in 2011 for being a serious political rival, and also Marwan Barghouti, a five-time life sentenced mass murderer. These rivals, when combined with the rising popularity of Hamas, show the Palestinian propensity for radical hardline terrorists rather than pragmatic non-corrupt politicians, a class in short supply in the Palestinian community.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; israel; mahmoudabbas; waronterror
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1 posted on 05/16/2021 4:24:40 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

You mean just like the Viet Cong? Amazing how well information warfare works as a tool in warfare to achieve an end state.


2 posted on 05/16/2021 4:26:59 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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Tell me...just how many wars have the Palestinians won against the Israelis since Israeli independence in 1948?


3 posted on 05/16/2021 4:31:06 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Kaslin

Interesting analysis. The internals of Palestinian politics are generally overlooked by the complicit media.


4 posted on 05/16/2021 4:43:50 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative. )
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To: SmokingJoe

Well, if you really want an answer to your question, the answer is zero. Of course, the next question one needs to ask, though, is how many “wars” (note the quotes) have the Israelis won against the Palestinians, and that answer is also zero (stick with me). Just because Israel controls some land does not make it the winner of a war.

There was a concept we bantered around in war college that without the total destruction of one side in a conflict over a piece of land that both parties claim, a war is actually never won. It is just delayed for a bit with decisive battles. Sure sounds like what has been going on for say 4,000 years in that area of the world. World War I and II are an example as well and before you say Germany was defeated, ask yourself what country has the most influence in the E.U.. Another example is Russia’s constant claim to its heritage land which is now part of modern day Ukraine and Belarus. That ‘war’ is at least 1,000 years old, maybe more.

Now, to get back to my Viet Cong example, I simply used that conflict as an example of how information warfare was a powerful tool in war.


5 posted on 05/16/2021 4:48:03 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: Kaslin

Palestinian culture (is that even a thing?) is the ultimate crab-bucket phenomenon, more dysmorphic even than its American counterpart.


6 posted on 05/16/2021 4:51:10 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Kaslin

Biden feeding their coffers is a big help.


7 posted on 05/16/2021 4:58:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: joma89
Of course, the next question one needs to ask, though, is how many “wars” (note the quotes) have the Israelis won against the Palestinians, and that answer is also zero (stick with me). Just because Israel controls some land does not make it the winner of a war.

How you twist and turn. Chuckle.
Of course it does. You win wars by capturing and controlling your enemy's territory and subduing them, something the Israelis have consistently done to the Palestinians from day one
Neither the Palestinians nor the Arabs have won a single war against Israel. The Israelis have regularly clobbered them, something they will do again if there is another war now.

8 posted on 05/16/2021 5:01:29 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Great point SmokingJoe!


9 posted on 05/16/2021 5:04:13 AM PDT by yoe (Follow the money on Covid or for Covid...)
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To: joma89
World War I and II are an example as well and before you say Germany was defeated, ask yourself what country has the most influence in the E.U..

You are getting more confused by the minute. Was Germany comprehensively defeated in WW II?
YUP.
The EU was created in part to bring European nations together and prevent another continent wide war. It has been very successful at that.
When is the last time Germany aggressively started wars in Europe or anywhere after WW II? ZERO.
That the German and Japanese economies are very strong today does not mean they did not get clobbered in WWII. They were thoroughly beaten.

10 posted on 05/16/2021 5:10:04 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Kaslin

Is their a country called Palestine? Where is it?

I always thought those camel humpers were Israeli Arabs.


11 posted on 05/16/2021 5:14:38 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Kaslin

The Palestinians are a made up bunch to begin with. There was never a Palestinian state. Palestine was a geographic area, not a country. It’s a bunch of people no one will take trying to say they have a right to exist and Israel is part of the land they want.


12 posted on 05/16/2021 5:17:23 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: Kaslin

Ahhh yeah the great victimhood mentality of the Hams Ass sector of the ‘persecuted Pali’s. There already exists the ‘two state solution’ but the lab experiment of Gaza is an utter failure. They seek Israel’s demise and not peace. Give the Gaza say to Vietnamese immigrants if they want nice, productive, non-violent occupants. Unfortunately Hams Ass Philistinism is a metastatic cancer upon the region.


13 posted on 05/16/2021 5:21:26 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny )
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To: Kaslin

https://www.dailywire.com/news/levin-no-such-thing-palestinian-robert-kraychik


14 posted on 05/16/2021 5:26:50 AM PDT by Maudeen (https://thereishopeinJesus.com/)
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To: SmokingJoe

They are still there.

And fighting.

That means the question is undecided but here is the rub.

The Israelis are colonists.

Unless they overwhelm the natives, they will be overwhelmed. It boils down to numbers.


15 posted on 05/16/2021 5:27:50 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Kaslin

Caveat: IF there is a hamas. Preferably not even a bloodstain will be left.


16 posted on 05/16/2021 5:29:15 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Kaslin

Even a casual student of world history can note that WAR is the normal state of affair and PEACE is just a rest period between wars.

The basic nature of humans make wars inevitable.

Wars are seldom fought for logical reason, but because of greed, hate, fear. religion or just plain ignorance.

Will there be another world war, yes, but like Californians waiting for the next big earthquake it is almost impossible to predict the when and where it will begin. Chances are it will start small and then grow out of control (like WWI).


17 posted on 05/16/2021 5:29:35 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: redgolum
They are still there.

Every single tribe, race etc that has been thoroughly defeated in a war is still here. Even after murdering 6 million Jews, Hitler was still not able to wipe out Jews. We have far more Jews today than back in the 30’s and 40’s and they are more prosperous than ever.

And fighting.

That's like saying hyenas are still fighting lions. They can continue fighting and they will continue to lose as usual.

18 posted on 05/16/2021 5:36:06 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Define war, first. War is not just bullets and bombs. It is the total strategy used to achieve an end. That is why terms like cognitive warfare, information warfare, and even lawfare are in the war lexicon.

If you limit the term ‘war’ to only big ‘blue versus red’ total war, than by default, you are correct. However, the nature of war has and will continually change as do the tools to fight it. Sun Tsu wrote 4,000 years ago that “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” Thus, if one can make one’s enemy chose not to fight through information warfare, than that by dafault, is also war.

This is also why I stated wars never actually end as long as both sides still exist when total war ends, such as happened in WWI and II.

But you keep up being condescending in your responses that I somehow am getting “more confused by the minute”.


19 posted on 05/16/2021 5:37:11 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: redgolum
The Israelis are colonists.

Don't make me laugh. You need to read some history.

Unless they overwhelm the natives, they will be overwhelmed. It boils down to numbers.

The State of Israel has a population of approximately 9,227,700 inhabitants as of July 2020. Some 74.24% are Jews of all backgrounds (about 6,829,000 individuals), 20.95% are Arab of any religion other than Jewish

20 posted on 05/16/2021 5:41:35 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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