North Carolina House passes Convention of States Resolution!

Conventionofstates.com ^ | 5/5/21

[Jacquerie]

<>Of course you have information that assures us that the 17th will be repealed.<>

Shove it.

I've never written anything of the sort. I have written at FR how I suspect the first COS will actually accomplish nothing. Delegates may very well meet and not agree to pass any resolutions at all.

But, that event would put to rest the fear of a “runaway” convention that the JBS so darkly warns of.

Instead of spouting off on topics with which you are hardly knowledgeable, you should read say, The Federalist Papers, beginning with “The Federalist Papers in Modern Language Indexed for Today's Political Issues,” by Mary Webster.

[Jacquerie]

Did you read my post #29?

George Orwell's 1984 is gearing up. Fast.

I don't give a fig about any political party. Free government will not be restored by the entrenched Deep State.

We the People made Donald Trump the president. He didn't come up through the party ranks. I despise the bulk of the GOP, those non-public rinos that subverted him and did not publicly support him.

As for the state legislatures, like you I was disappointed. But, the election events even more so illustrate the corrupt nature of some state judiciaries and secretaries of state. We get little in the way of federalist thinking from our states because, since the 17A, so little is asked of them. We don't know how they'll respond when asked to draw up the commissions for their delegates to a COS. But I do know one thing for certain. When the COS meets, whatever they send to the states will be the result of a Constitutional process. If the COS and ratifying states make a mistake, future conventions can correct them. Contrast that with today's Democrat Tyranny where untouchable, faceless bureaucrats and federal courts wield totalitarian powers.

[old curmudgeon]

Here is what you posted: “Try this, Amendment XVIII: The 17th Amendment is hearby repealed.

The Framers got it right.”

I am entitled to question the certainty and the wisdom of that statement.

I am really impressed with your knowledge but like so many brilliant people, you don't know what to do with it.

No, I don't know much but I am old enough and have seen enough in my very long life to know that one never knows ahead of time what will happen when you have a room full of people, all with different ideas and agendas.

I am also well aware of what “brilliant” people have done to our country.

And as for the argument that a Convention of States is not to change the Constitution, only to discuss amendments...the 17th which you brought up did in fact change the Constitution in that the Constitution specifically stated how senators were to be installed in office.

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The Seventeenth Amendment (Amendment XVII) to the United States Constitution established the direct election of United States senators in each state. The amendment supersedes Article I, §3, Clauses 1 and 2 of the Constitution, under which senators were elected by state legislatures.It also alters the procedure for filling vacancies in the Senate, allowing for state legislatures to permit ...

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A very clear example of how an amendment can change the constitution.

As a matter of fact, that is what most amendments have done, since the Bill of Rights.

So I repeat: Cleaning up our elections and electing people who will legislate in strict accordance with the Constitution will do more for this country than meddling with the Constitution as it exists.

[frog in a pot]

...opening the convention is the fastest way to destroy the fabric of this Nation...

OTOH, many would argue an equally fast and perhaps more certain way to destroy the fabric of this nation is by implementing a corrupt voting system at the state and federal levels.

[frog in a pot]

I agree with Tupelo that it may, soon, be the only shot.

Bingo! Soon, if not now.

It will likely take years to uncover all of the damage the Biden admin has caused just to date, and it will no doubt accelerate its efforts. Given clear evidence of corrupt, easily manipulated voting systems there seems an excellent chance the nation will see Biden-like admins for the seeable future.

As for those we can't control who will betray their commission, we will clearly know who are the "domestic enemies".

[bigfootbob]

“OTOH, many would argue an equally fast and perhaps more certain way to destroy the fabric of this nation is by implementing a corrupt voting system at the state and federal levels.”

That’s my point. If we cannot fix what ails our voting system with this generation of citizen, then how can we trust the same citizenry to conduct a fair convention?

[frog in a pot]

That’s my point. If we cannot fix what ails our voting system with this generation of citizen, then how can we trust the same citizenry to conduct a fair convention?

Fair enough.

In this analysis, however, trust and confidence would not seem to play a role. It appears we are faced with nothing but obviously bad, or at least unfamiliar choices and the clock is running. IMO, it is clearly better to make an effort to select a choice that has some chance of success than to sit on our hands and watch the clock.

[nanook]

Yeah right. And no presidential election can be stolen because it’s constitutionally ignorant, arithmetically implausible and practically absurd. Pull your head out of the sand, sir.

[bigfootbob]

Normally I would agree. Right now, there’s no sure fire litmus test we can administer to the delegate candidates we send to the convention.

In my earlier post I talked about supporting the convention and actually gave travel money to 2 people I trust who were going to the Midwest to attend an early convention organizational meeting. One of the promoters/organizers was a young buck who was causing tongues to wag concerning his Liberty views. That person was Justin Amash.

Let’s fast forward to today…where’s Justin? He turned out to be a huge liability to just about everyone who admired and supported him. I believe he was the Canary in the Convention Mine that proved to me anyway, that opening the convention now would be the most dangerous thing we could possibly do in the present. God help us.

[nathanbedford]

no presidential election can be stolen because it’s constitutionally ignorant, arithmetically implausible and practically absurd

It is it has been imputed to Einstein, perhaps apocryphally, that insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result.

Contrary to what one can only conclude is your expectation that this time it will be different, we are now on the verge of losing our constitutional republic. Why do you think they were able to steal the 2020 election? What makes you think it will be different next time?

You deny a new approach that entirely changes the rules of the game and makes victory at least a possibility so that we repeat interminably failing in the old ad hoc system in which we lose time after time on issue after issue.

We are running out of time for you to be wrong.