Posted on 05/03/2021 3:55:46 PM PDT by lightman
There are no more experts. They know nothing. So, don’t listen to them. Okay, maybe that’s not actually fair—but the real experts are being ignored by the liberal media for a simple reason: they want the COVID panic to continue. They want more deaths to occur. They want a spike. They want to keep the nation locked down. It’s partially out of spite. Blue states are still under Nazi-esque lockdown rules—and their cases are still bad. Not like last year, but Michigan is seeing a massive spike, whereas Texas who nixed their mask mandate over five weeks ago and reopened fully has seen no spikes—none. Florida has also been a state that has managed its COVID crisis better than the media gave it credit for, painting Gov. Ron DeSantis as the grim reaper. It turns out the entire media establishment ate it on that one—no shock. The good news is that even though Democratic states cannot manage COVID, there is no fourth wave. A spike in one state—Michigan, does not make a wave no matter what the CDC says. Even Dr. Anthony Fauci has said he doesn’t think there’s going to be a fourth wave. And alas, here is the circus. The CDC saying there’s “impending doom,” which was voiced around spring break to Fauci saying, ‘nah, that ain’t happening.’ The messaging on COVID protocols has been a mess; the ones with vaccines has been even worse. An MIT study pretty much gutted or cast immense doubt on the effectiveness and purpose of air filtration systems, indoor capacity caps, and even mask wearing. Folks think they’re protected wearing a mask. Nope. It’s an airborne virus. If you’re inside with someone exposed, that mask isn’t doing much, whether it be six or sixty feet apart. It’s all a mess, and now we have this garbage about not reaching herd immunity (via NYT):
Early in the pandemic, when vaccines for the coronavirus were still just a glimmer on the horizon, the term “herd immunity” came to signify the endgame: the point when enough Americans would be protected from the virus so we could be rid of the pathogen and reclaim our lives.
Now, more than half of adults in the United States have been inoculated with at least one dose of a vaccine. But daily vaccination rates are slipping, and there is widespread consensus among scientists and public health experts that the herd immunity threshold is not attainable — at least not in the foreseeable future, and perhaps not ever.
Instead, they are coming to the conclusion that rather than making a long-promised exit, the virus will most likely become a manageable threat that will continue to circulate in the United States for years to come, still causing hospitalizations and deaths but in much smaller numbers.
How much smaller is uncertain and depends in part on how much of the nation, and the world, becomes vaccinated and how the coronavirus evolves. It is already clear, however, that the virus is changing too quickly, new variants are spreading too easily and vaccination is proceeding too slowly for herd immunity to be within reach anytime soon.
We discussed this before, including medical doctors. Do you see what’s missing? There is a glaring omission: natural immunity. The coverage on COVID has become so bad that liberal data crunchers, like Nate Silver, are coming off as conservative on social media, as he’s taken a hatchet to some of the narratives being peddled out here. He recently said there were “a lot of bad takes” about how Florida handled COVID. Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins also weighed in, saying the article omits herd immunity. Others also noted that the Times doesn’t seem to know the difference between herd immunity and eradication.
Look, the vaccine is a choice. I got it. A ton of my friends have as well, but we also know that the messaging is terrible.
‘Get the vaccine but stay locked up’ is not going to get people to sign up. I can understand the hesitancy. Luckily, tens of millions are getting shots and ignoring the indirectly idiotic advice experts have doled out. They’re all bureaucrats and ALL bureaucrats have agendas, Fauci being the biggest of all. Almost every protocol they’ve come up with is either nonsensical or enforced and applied in ways that make no sense. The NCAA basketball tournament being a prime example. Players must wear masks and be socially distanced on the bench…but not while they’re playing on the court? This is a virus with a. 90+ percent survivability rate. Is it contagious? Sure—it’s why based on the data that Dr. Makary thinks that up to two-thirds of the US population might have already had the infection. Natural immunity is something that is never applied in these scenarios which is malpractice. The reinfection rate for those who already had COVID is also immensely low. The truth is we’re probably very close to herd immunity, but government doctors lie. And with the CDC being exposed for colluding with teachers’ unions to keep schools closed—do you still trust the experts? They’re political operatives that are no better than the ones who are on panels of guest host on networks like CNN or MSNBC.
Just want you to know, it is OK to disagree civilly with Trump.
Herd immunity can also be achieved through normal infection/recovery process. In fact a number of experts estimate the between vaccinations and infections, we are already close to herd immunity.
The CDC knows all. We need to listen to them, trust them because they are on the side of science. (need I add the /s/ ...?)
If the vaccines confer immunity, then why are they already talking about the need for a third shot and possibly annual shots? You don’t need a measles shot every year.
We don’t know that.
Where are the antibody studies?
Have any been done?
If not, why not?
And if they have been done, why haven’t the results been made public?
Inquiring minds want to know.
What do the animal studies say? Ferrets, primates, rats?
What about long term studies?
Any experience, evidence on mRNA injections?
What boggles my mind even more are the number of freepers who bought it all.
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Lot’s of FReepers bought Q also. Maybe some have learned a hard lesson or two?
‘The mRNA vaccines give 90% or more of the vaccinated IMMUNITY.’
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“Isn’t it that 100% of the vaccinated can still contract the disease (zero immunity), but only 10% become symptomatic when they get it? Or do 10% of those vaccinated show symptoms of the disease whether they’re exposed to it or not?…”
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No, not at all.
1. Of the people vaccinated, only a small percentage will later be exposed to the virus to the degree that they (if they were NOT vaccinated) would be infected and develop a symptomatic COVID-19 infection.
2. Of that small portion significantly exposed to the virus (again, to the degree that if they were not vaccinated they would be infected and develop symptomatic disease), about 90% would not even be infected. This means that their immune systems would destroy the invading viruses before they could develop a detectable foothold. THIS 90% IS TRULY IMMUNE. Since this 90% does not become infected, they can’t pass the virus on to others and infect them.
3. Of that small portion significantly exposed to the virus, about 5% would actually develop a detectable infection (prior to destroying the invading viruses) but it would be so minor that these people would be asymptomatIc and not feel sick at all. While technically they could infect others, their viral load is so small that infecting others would be rare.
4. Of that small portion significantly exposed to the virus, the remaining 5% would be infected and develop symptomatic COVID-19 but almost all their cases would be mild and not result in hospitalization or death. When you’re talking about tens of millions vaccinated, the small sliver of this 5% who develop severe disease will certainly happen and you will hear of hospitalizations and death. These usually will be people with weak immunity. Also, this 5% of symptomatic cases will be able to infect others but NOT anywhere near as easily as they could have if they had not been vaccinated.
Anyone who believes anything our supremely incompetent and corrupt governments (federal, state and local) say is likely beyond hope.
I think we all know this is a big, humongous load of fecal matter, right?
We should have had it. Then again, we haven’t been sick in 4-5 years ..... but there’s also a pretty decent chance you have had it. Just that your body was able to deal with it and fight it and maybe it was the sniffles or “seasonal allergies” or anything else.
My buddy had it. In his mid-60s and not in the greatest of shape. Tested positive, felt like he had a very mild cold, lost sense of smell and taste for a day or two, then....nothing. I asked him when he had to go back to the doctor to get tested again, after his 2 week quarantine....Nope....no follow up visit...no test to confirm...wait two weeks and when you start feeling better go back to your normal life. Roger that.
Ok, so with that medical mindset, for the deadliest virus to sweep the planet, you get diagnosed with: HIV-no worries, just quarantine for 2 weeks and you’ll be fine Hepatitis C, quarantine for two weeks, take some Tylenol and don’t worry. Ebola, quarantine and take some Tylenol and drink plenty of water.
Would have made a heck of a dystopian movie......folks may have laughed at me in past comments about this country and world looking more and more like The Hunger Games or Divergent, but I’m right. DC is Panem with some outposts in NYC, SanFran and a few other spots. This country is definitely headed that way.
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whatever happened to “My Body, My Choice”?
No need to be a vaxhole.
BUT DID THEY TYPE IN ALL CAPS????????
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Bet you can’t wait for the stats to prove you right.
“Bet you can’t wait for the stats to prove you right.”
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If you’re talking about the statistics in post 89, they were derived from very large scale double blind studies with follow up detailed studies. I think the national results coming out of nations with substantial vaccinations among their populations are providing further verification of the accuracy of those initial stats.
But those are estimates. Hopefully time will tell. Ideally, your position will bear out in terms of vax efficacy and non-toxicity. But also important to distinguish the studies’ results from the apparent seasonal downturn.
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