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Oh, So Now Herd Immunity Cannot Be Obtained?
Townhall.com ^ | 3 May A.D. 2021 | Matt Vespa

Posted on 05/03/2021 3:55:46 PM PDT by lightman

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To: lightman

Just want you to know, it is OK to disagree civilly with Trump.


81 posted on 05/03/2021 6:14:07 PM PDT by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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To: lightman
And for the Anti-vaccers here: It was our beloved DJT who pushed Operation Warp Speed. This is the Trump Vaccine that you are dissing!

So...you're under the impression that Trump was working in a lab to produce this "vaccine", rather than being the guy that these "vaccine" makers were lying to when they said, "Hey, we can make a drug that will prevent this disease"?

If NASA came to Trump and said, "Hey, we can build a rocket to Mars within a year!" and Trump replied, "OK, then do it. Just let me know what you need." And then the rocket exploded on takeoff, would you be on FR saying nonsensical stuff like "All of you criticizing the bad engineering on the rocket are really just criticizing Trump! Nyaah nyaah nyaah!" 'Cause that would be asinine.
82 posted on 05/03/2021 6:26:27 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Reaganez

Herd immunity can also be achieved through normal infection/recovery process. In fact a number of experts estimate the between vaccinations and infections, we are already close to herd immunity.


83 posted on 05/03/2021 6:38:04 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: lightman
It takes 15 days to "flatten the curve".

The CDC knows all. We need to listen to them, trust them because they are on the side of science. (need I add the /s/ ...?)

84 posted on 05/03/2021 6:38:14 PM PDT by Gritty (Political opponents using the law as a weapon threaten the very foundation of our liberty-Pres Trump)
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To: House Atreides

If the vaccines confer immunity, then why are they already talking about the need for a third shot and possibly annual shots? You don’t need a measles shot every year.


85 posted on 05/03/2021 6:40:40 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: lightman

We don’t know that.

Where are the antibody studies?

Have any been done?

If not, why not?

And if they have been done, why haven’t the results been made public?

Inquiring minds want to know.


86 posted on 05/03/2021 6:42:38 PM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: PTBobW

What do the animal studies say? Ferrets, primates, rats?
What about long term studies?
Any experience, evidence on mRNA injections?


87 posted on 05/03/2021 6:46:58 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification. )
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To: scripter

What boggles my mind even more are the number of freepers who bought it all.
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Lot’s of FReepers bought Q also. Maybe some have learned a hard lesson or two?


88 posted on 05/03/2021 7:01:27 PM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Tellurian

‘The mRNA vaccines give 90% or more of the vaccinated IMMUNITY.’
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“Isn’t it that 100% of the vaccinated can still contract the disease (zero immunity), but only 10% become symptomatic when they get it? Or do 10% of those vaccinated show symptoms of the disease whether they’re exposed to it or not?…”
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No, not at all.

1. Of the people vaccinated, only a small percentage will later be exposed to the virus to the degree that they (if they were NOT vaccinated) would be infected and develop a symptomatic COVID-19 infection.

2. Of that small portion significantly exposed to the virus (again, to the degree that if they were not vaccinated they would be infected and develop symptomatic disease), about 90% would not even be infected. This means that their immune systems would destroy the invading viruses before they could develop a detectable foothold. THIS 90% IS TRULY IMMUNE. Since this 90% does not become infected, they can’t pass the virus on to others and infect them.

3. Of that small portion significantly exposed to the virus, about 5% would actually develop a detectable infection (prior to destroying the invading viruses) but it would be so minor that these people would be asymptomatIc and not feel sick at all. While technically they could infect others, their viral load is so small that infecting others would be rare.

4. Of that small portion significantly exposed to the virus, the remaining 5% would be infected and develop symptomatic COVID-19 but almost all their cases would be mild and not result in hospitalization or death. When you’re talking about tens of millions vaccinated, the small sliver of this 5% who develop severe disease will certainly happen and you will hear of hospitalizations and death. These usually will be people with weak immunity. Also, this 5% of symptomatic cases will be able to infect others but NOT anywhere near as easily as they could have if they had not been vaccinated.


89 posted on 05/03/2021 7:30:20 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: lightman

Anyone who believes anything our supremely incompetent and corrupt governments (federal, state and local) say is likely beyond hope.


90 posted on 05/03/2021 8:02:15 PM PDT by Newtoidaho (All I ask of living is to have no chains on me.)
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To: lightman

I think we all know this is a big, humongous load of fecal matter, right?


91 posted on 05/03/2021 8:05:35 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Pollard

We should have had it. Then again, we haven’t been sick in 4-5 years ..... but there’s also a pretty decent chance you have had it. Just that your body was able to deal with it and fight it and maybe it was the sniffles or “seasonal allergies” or anything else.

My buddy had it. In his mid-60s and not in the greatest of shape. Tested positive, felt like he had a very mild cold, lost sense of smell and taste for a day or two, then....nothing. I asked him when he had to go back to the doctor to get tested again, after his 2 week quarantine....Nope....no follow up visit...no test to confirm...wait two weeks and when you start feeling better go back to your normal life. Roger that.

Ok, so with that medical mindset, for the deadliest virus to sweep the planet, you get diagnosed with: HIV-no worries, just quarantine for 2 weeks and you’ll be fine Hepatitis C, quarantine for two weeks, take some Tylenol and don’t worry. Ebola, quarantine and take some Tylenol and drink plenty of water.

Would have made a heck of a dystopian movie......folks may have laughed at me in past comments about this country and world looking more and more like The Hunger Games or Divergent, but I’m right. DC is Panem with some outposts in NYC, SanFran and a few other spots. This country is definitely headed that way.


92 posted on 05/03/2021 8:56:15 PM PDT by qaz123
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93 posted on 05/03/2021 8:57:15 PM PDT by bitt (People who wonder if the glass is half empty or half full miss the point. The glass is refillable.)
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To: Pollard

whatever happened to “My Body, My Choice”?


94 posted on 05/03/2021 8:58:50 PM PDT by bitt (People who wonder if the glass is half empty or half full miss the point. The glass is refillable.)
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To: Reaganez

No need to be a vaxhole.


95 posted on 05/03/2021 9:23:25 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: afchief

BUT DID THEY TYPE IN ALL CAPS????????

????????????


96 posted on 05/03/2021 9:25:33 PM PDT by Fury
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To: House Atreides

Bet you can’t wait for the stats to prove you right.


97 posted on 05/03/2021 9:26:16 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

“Bet you can’t wait for the stats to prove you right.”
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If you’re talking about the statistics in post 89, they were derived from very large scale double blind studies with follow up detailed studies. I think the national results coming out of nations with substantial vaccinations among their populations are providing further verification of the accuracy of those initial stats.


98 posted on 05/03/2021 9:56:45 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: lightman
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99 posted on 05/03/2021 10:07:02 PM PDT by glennaro ("Until it's safe" means "never" (Dennis Prager))
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To: House Atreides

But those are estimates. Hopefully time will tell. Ideally, your position will bear out in terms of vax efficacy and non-toxicity. But also important to distinguish the studies’ results from the apparent seasonal downturn.


100 posted on 05/03/2021 10:26:18 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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