Posted on 03/07/2021 8:08:35 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
Car dealer Brad Sowers is spending money to prepare for the coming wave of new electric models from General Motors Co. He is installing charging stations, upgrading service bays and retraining staff at his St. Louis-area dealership to handle the technology-packed vehicles.
But when he considers how many plug-in Chevy Bolts he sold last year—nine, out of the nearly 4,000 Chevrolets sold at his Missouri dealerships—it gives him pause.
“The consumer in the middle of America just isn’t there yet,” when it comes to switching to electric vehicles, he said, citing the long distances many of his customers drive daily and a lack of charging infrastructure outside major cities.
As auto executives and investors buzz about the coming age of the electric car, many dealers say they are struggling to square that enthusiasm with the reality today on new-car sales lots, where last year battery-powered vehicles made up fewer than 2% of U.S. auto sales.
Most consumers who come to showrooms aren’t shopping for electric cars, and with gasoline prices relatively low, even hybrid models can be a tough sell, dealers and industry analysts say.
Auto makers are moving aggressively to expand their electric-vehicle offerings with dozens of new models set to arrive in coming years. Some like GM are setting firm targets for when they plan to phase out gas-powered cars entirely.
(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...
You forgot to mention that evil and racist Dr. Seuss.
“Present fast charging stations are 62.5 kw.”
“Present day technology is 350 kw.”
Make up your mind LOL!
Seriously, don’t get lost in “winning”. EVs have their good points and bad.
During period of civil unrest when you need to bugout, are you using an EV or an ICE?
If you want high power lights, Led can set you back 800 vs 50-100 for non-led
The problem with grid power availability to charge EV’s is primarily an issue with a lack of realistic storage schemes for any excess generation. A secondary problem is limitations of efficient energy transport over long lines between two regions. Thirdly, inter-conversion between storage and grid distribution suffers a significant loss penalty in either direction.
Any moving mass is a store of momentum. This fact is applied in the use of flywheels for energy storage. The structure of the rim of the flywheel is the crucial energy storage component, as the energy capability is tied to velocity squared. The yield strength of flywheel construction limits the velocity, thus the potential for energy storage.
An electrical engineer specializing in magnetic levitation & propulsion conceived a way to side-step the flywheel’s material strength limitations. Active levitation typically involves adjustment of electromagnets to lift a material against gravity and maintain a nominal position. This is an unstable process made possible by a very fast feedback system modulating the magnetic lift force.
Active attractive positioning by a curved track magnet system, applied to a moving flexible mass, achieves deflection of that mass about a closed circular path. Modify that system to two half-circle turning magnets connected by two straight segments of linear magnetic accelerators, and momentum can be transferred in or out of a recirculating ribbon-like mass. Two way efficient exchange of electrical and kinetic energy is the goal.
It is more a feat of grand engineering, rather than pushing the limits of science to implement such an energy storage scheme.
It will cost one hell of a lot more than filling up with gas
I'm with you. Where I live, it is long distances between towns with heavy snow in the Winter and areas where even finding a gas station can be tricky on a long trip.
Presently you pay nothing for the construction and maintenance of the roads you need to drive on.
ICE vehicle owners have to pay for your use of the Calif. roads.
And do you have a subsidized energy source?
So, ALL of your savings may be at the expense of someone else.
Someone government forces to give their money to you.
Plugging in EV’s in Texas would make the power go out.
Exactly. What about when Texas had the massive power outages or post hurricanes, tornados, etc? You could go a week or more whothoit power.
You can store extra gas cans at home or gas stations can install/rent/etc a diesel or natural gas generator to keep the pumps running and along with coordinated fuel deliveries fuel hundreds or thousands of cars per day with each only taking 5-10 minutes.
actually is wasn’t mine- i forgot the link but have the link in my other post with that graphic- but yeah- they forgot evil suess
Your cross country trip would last about 20 minutes if you tried to drive into a northern state in the winter time.
Where’s the juice?
To to charge a electric car in 7 minutes you need almost 1 mega watt of power. Where does that mythical generation and transmission capacity come into play.
My state has one nuke plant with a ~860 MW and ~1,100 MW reactor. That provides something like 50% of the power for the state. Assuming no other loads like lighting, a/c, etc. on the grid we could charge only 1,900 cars at once. Whiteout trillions of upgrades to the transmission and local distribution grid in addition to a massive increase in generation it is not even remotely possible.
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800v is already here. Porsche has a vehicle that can use it. KIA is also coming out with 800V KIA dominates the midsize car market in Asia and has a good chunk of the market for economy priced cars here in the USA as well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/features/427039/800-volt-charging-to-change-industry/amp/
Correct, and it's not just a practical matter of getting in and out of the recharge station in a reasonably short time, although that is a considerable concern for most people. Life for most of us is already too dang busy to be burning up even 30 minutes for a charge if we are on an extended trip.
However, the other side of it is that fast discharging AND fast charging decreases battery life. Tesla manages (limits) charge and discharge rates already, as well as having coolant run through tubes that contact the individual battery cells to cool (or heat) the batteries as needed. But, 900 KW charging was mentioned upthread -- my goodness. That is from an energy standpoint almost a small explosion in reverse. Offhand, it seems to me elaborate and near complete encapsulation of battery cells in a cooling matrix (bring on the railroad tank cars of heat sink grease!), or perhaps even direct liquid cooling of battery surfaces would be needed. And... then one has to dissipate that heat once it is carried off the cells: A significant task, because the temperature differential to the outside air is not going to be large. (I can see it now: A fast recharge requires both the heavy(!) electrical hookup, plus, hoses to / from the cooling pond.)
As an old engineer friend of mine once said "Anything can be done for enough money".
your listed negatives are correct.
And for those who are waving the flag for their new toy, some thoughts to consider.
Battery Replacement. - how many EV do you see trying to be sld online, why are they so cheap? Try buying a new battery sled and get it fitted.
LiFePo batteries are way better than the ones we have now, But, we are chained to the hip by those being built in China, seems batteries and electronics for the EV are not deemed to of National Security level, no battery, no go.
It Costs Nearly $16,000 to Replace a Tesla Model 3 Battery Pack Go look it up, oh and do not run over a curb island or anything that can flip up and hit the underside of the battery pan-—— poof,system dead.
Civil Unrest - Those wise enough to see what is going on in the country already have at least 2 or 3 tanks of spare fuel they rotate through, no electricity - no fuel OR EV Battery charge.
What is the first thing we know is going to happen if major civil unrest happens, city, or urban?
They shut down the grid or destroy the grid - try boosting an EV when the power is down for a month. Try GOOD with a ICE and you got a chance.
Please take note, you best have a good generator that is ‘totally silenced if your going to run it to recharge, if those around you hear a motor they are going to come for what you have and they do Not have.
Seems so many think like its just an easy fix to move about when shtf (that includes power blackouts by natural or man made efforts) Time to start thinking more along the prepper mindset then the latest feel good idea of being able to shred tires in 2 seconds.
An Air intake snorkel and adaptable vertical exhaust stack fitting is going to get you a lot further than trying to tell us all their EV is FULLY waterproof (wait till the salt vapor starts its job lol )
The list goes on and on but if you want to buy an EV, go ahead, if you want to buy an ICE, then get a Diesel that can run multi fuel, don’t buy the BS of that not working, that psyop was driven by the “need” to use EV and ban the ICE)
Want to run a generator in Urban or outer suburbs (think Gasifier) yes they do work, till we run out of timber or trash, yes gasifying trash works, gaagle it.
The whole EV drama is a psyop, it IS to limit and have remote control of what YOU purchase, an EV is just a rental you pay big time for (wait for them to start charging you for disposal of your battery bank)
heads up
In 24 hours China (meaning they are fudging the numbers) put out the equivalent emissions of One Year in Australia. So basically whatever you think your doing for emission is a joke, combine Pakistan, India, China, North Korea, and the EU in total, we are cutting our throats on this Green crap, while the other side laughs and guts us economically.
Blessings.
Gasoline prices in three years will make you cry.
C’mon, JD, you know volts are not watts. The energy (power) delivery requirements are MUCH more important than what charge voltage is used.
Then again, I have serious misgivings about consumers handling 800 volt hookups, even if well engineered, made in USA, and triple UL certified. Many consumers are marginal even at 120 volts...
To be sure, I’m not “against” electric vehicles. IF I had the extra $$, I’d be interested in the electric equivalent of, say, the old Toyota Matrix, as a 3rd vehicle. It’d be great for runs to town, daughter to school, and such. Just as long as I never have to replace that battery pack.
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