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John MacArthur: ‘I wouldn’t fight for religious freedom because I won’t fight for idolatry’ ["Why would I fight for the devil to have as many false religions as possible"]
Christian Post ^ | March 04, 2021 | Leonardo Blair

Posted on 03/05/2021 6:11:05 PM PST by daniel1212

During his State of the Church address Wednesday, which replaced his Shepherds’ Conference for men in church leadership that was postponed due to “ongoing litigation" and "threats" from the state, MacArthur urged evangelicals to stop forming alliances with non-Christian groups to promote religious freedom because they don’t need it.

“The Gospel offends the sinner and seeks to break the sinner’s comfort and contentment by bringing him into stark realization of the eternal judgement of God. Evangelicals have become like Peter. They are looking for alliances with Satan that they think somehow can aid the Kingdom,” MacArthur said.

I told our congregation a few weeks ago that I could never really concern myself with religious freedom. I wouldn’t fight for religious freedom because I won’t fight for idolatry. Why would I fight for the devil to have as many false religions as possible and all of them to be available to everyone?” he asked.

The megachurch leader, who has famously challenged local government and state officials over the right of his congregation to have in-person services during the coronavirus pandemic, noted that even with religious freedom Christians have continued to be the target of “the hostility of sinners.”

Well, people would say that’s a terrible thing to say. What about Christianity? Christianity advances whether there is religious freedom or not. And there’ll always be religious freedom for all the lies. Every false religion is going to be free because it’s linked to the kingdom of darkness that operates in the world. And Christians, whatever the label of religious freedom might be in its broadest sense, Christians are always the target even with religious freedom, of the hostility of sinners,” MacArthur said.

“The Apostles turned the world upside down with no help from it. No social action. No alliances. The evil kingdom of darkness hates what God loves and loves everything that God hates, and the kingdom of darkness is never a friend to the light,” he continued. “Even rulers have exchanged the truth of God for a lie. … They function under the liar Satan himself who [is] the liar and father of lies. There is absolutely no reason for us to make any alliance with him,” he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: address; catholic; evangelical; firstamendment; freedom; gty; johnmacarthur; macarthur; religiousfreedom; stateofthechurch
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To: Kriggerel
You’re certainly entitled to your beliefs. As for me, I think the day that I claim to know everything is the day that the whitecoats with the butterfly nets need to come for me. The older I get, the more I know that I DON’T know.

So the uncertainty option is correct, meaning that it is wrong to make exclusive Truth claims since the correct truth claim is that one cannot be certain of what is true. Are certain about that:)

Good night.

81 posted on 03/05/2021 8:58:48 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned + destitute sinner + trust Him to save + be baptized+follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

Each of your eyes sends a different picture to the brain. Neither of the pictures is wrong and putting them together gives depth preception. Conradicting positions can both be correct. They can both be wrong too.

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord.


82 posted on 03/05/2021 10:24:31 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Kriggerel

MacArthur is not advocating censorship of other religions. He doesnt think fighting for religious freexom is the main goal of The message of Christ. The main goal is to proclaim the gospel in any system...religious freedom or not. Save as many souls as possible through belief in Christ.


83 posted on 03/05/2021 10:33:09 PM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Seven_0
Each of your eyes sends a different picture to the brain. Neither of the pictures is wrong and putting them together gives depth preception. Conradicting positions can both be correct. They can both be wrong too. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord.

I said clearly contradicting positions, as is the case here, except as is the case with those who condemn those who judge and those are guilty of what they censure, opposing those who insist there is one right way, means one is insisting their way is the right one.

84 posted on 03/06/2021 3:21:41 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned + destitute sinner + trust Him to save + be baptized+follow Him!)
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To: Getready
MacArthur is not advocating censorship of other religions.

Of course he is by opposing freedom of speech for them. He rightly condemns false teaching (when he himself is right) and which (according to him) includes supporting freedom of religion and speech, meaning the only freedom by a government he can support is one that only granted it to Biblical Truth (as defined by him), otherwise his position is rightly one of preaching despite governmental persecution. But as with counseling slaves to obtain freedom if possible, (1 Corinthians 7:21) and Paul invoking his rights as a Roman citizen, (Acts 22:25) thereby taking advantage of what the powers that be provide, and thus implicitly supporting it, then Christians are to do so now. And MacArthur himself is appealing to freedom of religion ("appropriate constitutional and legal protections and further relief from the Court") while opposing it for others.

85 posted on 03/06/2021 3:37:20 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: patriotfury

mego


86 posted on 03/06/2021 5:53:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: alternatives?
There is less straightforward wording on abortions.

Oh?

I would think that "Thou shalt not kill" would cover it.

87 posted on 03/06/2021 5:55:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: alternatives?

EXODUS 21:22

“If men strive and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no misfortune follow, he shall be surely punished according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.


88 posted on 03/06/2021 5:56:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Guenevere; Pilgrim's Progress

John Macarthur is not the Christian you think
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqOzI1137pUjmjC16ygHL4j6JIGZXGJYX


89 posted on 03/06/2021 6:25:51 AM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for )
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To: RaceBannon

Whatever link you sent me does not exist

......why would you say such unkind, untrue words about Pastor MacArthur


90 posted on 03/06/2021 6:58:44 AM PST by Guenevere (When the foundations are being destroyed what can the righteous do)
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To: RaceBannon

“Playlist does not exist”. Pity.


91 posted on 03/06/2021 7:03:35 AM PST by Migraine ( Liberalism is great (until it happens to YOU).)
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To: RaceBannon

This playlist does not exist.

Do you have a different link or the title of the video?


92 posted on 03/06/2021 8:10:07 AM PST by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: daniel1212

You did skip 25:11: “I appeal to Caesar.” Let it speak for itself, persons stumbling across this can judge for themselves.


93 posted on 03/06/2021 8:36:06 AM PST by sopo
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To: daniel1212

I believe abortion is against God’s will.

My point was you don’t have to deduct anything from the scripture about homosexuality.


94 posted on 03/06/2021 8:47:28 AM PST by alternatives? (If our borders are not secure, why fund an army?)
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To: Elsie

I believe that abortion is against God’s will based on the Bible.

My point was the verses about homosexuality are numerous and very direct. “Thou shalt not kill” is less direct and open to some interpolation. For example some would say murder instead of kill.


95 posted on 03/06/2021 8:51:42 AM PST by alternatives? (If our borders are not secure, why fund an army?)
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To: Elsie

I believe abortion is against God’s will based on the Bible.

My point was the instructions in Bible, and the New Testament, on homosexuality are quite direct and numerous relative to abortion.


96 posted on 03/06/2021 8:55:46 AM PST by alternatives? (If our borders are not secure, why fund an army?)
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To: alternatives?
I believe abortion is against God’s will. My point was you don’t have to deduct anything from the scripture about homosexuality.

Yes, as said, Indeed even though prohomosexual polemicists profusely perverse in producing a plethora of propaganda purporting the contrary position.

97 posted on 03/06/2021 9:20:46 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

Pastor MacArthur’s perspective is that of God’s, as expressed in His Word, The Bible. Per Jesus, if you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your savior, you are destined for hell, not heaven. Thus, the only “true” religion is more of a true relationship...a relationship with God through your relationship with His Son, Jesus. If you have not accepted Jesus as your savior, your “afterlife” on earth, which will be for eternity, is going to be hot and full of misery.


98 posted on 03/06/2021 9:21:04 AM PST by Tudorfly (All things are possible within the will of God.)
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To: sopo
You did skip 25:11: “I appeal to Caesar.” Let it speak for itself, persons stumbling across this can judge for themselves.

But I quoted "I stand at Cæsar’s judgment seat, where I ought to be judged" which means the same thing.

99 posted on 03/06/2021 9:23:33 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Tudorfly
Pastor MacArthur’s perspective is that of God’s, as expressed in His Word, The Bible. Per Jesus, if you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your savior, you are destined for hell, not heaven. Thus, the only “true” religion is more of a true relationship...a relationship with God through your relationship with His Son, Jesus. If you have not accepted Jesus as your savior, your “afterlife” on earth, which will be for eternity, is going to be hot and full of misery.

That dire message is True, as I myself teach, and thank God Pastor MacArthur calls souls to repentant faith and obedience to the risen Lord who saves sinners on His account. But the issue is not supporting freedom of religion since that would mean supporting the right to use it to preach error as well, and since he holds that supporting freedom of religion it itself wrong then he cannot supporting allowing that to be preached. Which as said, means that the only governmental freedom of speech he can support is that of a theocracy that does not disagree with anything he teaches otherwise it means Christians cannot have freedom of speech that is held in common with the general public, even if it allows more freedom to preach and an even playing field, and thus the American church has been wrong for supporting the first Amendment.

Meanwhile he himself is appealing to constitutional protections for freedom to meet. But we do not to have the faith of the NT church, in which our preaching is illegal, even though I think it is right to support the manner of freedom of speech that the great revivals in America occurred under. .

100 posted on 03/06/2021 9:38:57 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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