John MacArthur: ‘I wouldn’t fight for religious freedom because I won’t fight for idolatry’ ["Why would I fight for the devil to have as many false religions as possible"]

Christian Post ^ | March 04, 2021 | Leonardo Blair

[daniel1212]

Edit: "But we do not NEED to have the faith of the NT church, in which our preaching is illegal..."

[patriotfury]

Yes, that was a bit of reading.

However, most people today (including “conservatives”), literally have near zero contextual idea...

And attention spans don’t exist.

That being said, Early American History
should probably be it’s own subject matter thread.

It never can rise to the importance of the Bible, biblical Christianity, and theology, but it is a human reflection of those who experienced all the trials of life, and who often loved God, and it is our History.

There is literally a library of critical information, and on all subjects.

David Barton is an old friend of mine, who I first met at a Christian Legislative (husband/wife) retreat in Northern Michigan in 1987-1988. I was not married, but just a student at the time.

He is not a “theologian” but does loves God, and he is a real student of American History, including the many nations it derived from.

[gnarledmaw]

Never heard of him though I can understand why some may listen.

How big is his house and what does he drive?

[RaceBannon]

this dont work?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqOzI1137pUjmjC16ygHL4j6JIGZXGJYX

[RaceBannon]

try it again, I had it set to private

and I sent it because it is true

Macarthur openly said things that completely contradict scripture, like people who take the mark can repent and be resaved or get saved

Scripture is exactly against that

[RaceBannon]

try it again, I had it set to private, sorry

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqOzI1137pUjmjC16ygHL4j6JIGZXGJYX

[Pilgrim's Progress]

Thanks. Got it. Hopefully others will watch them . . . even with a mind to refute them. At least they are then exposed to knowlege.

[SunkenCiv]

"We will be deposing the key health officers and county officials and requiring them to answer for their oppressive actions under oath, and requesting all documents and information supporting their arbitrary attempts to restrict our religious liberty as a church. Our church leadership remains firmly committed to the truth that Christ is the head of the Church, and we will not yield to government's infringement upon the [B]iblical command to worship and gather together... We intend to steadfastly defend this truth and obtain appropriate constitutional and legal protections and further relief from the Court."

[daniel1212]

Never heard of him though I can understand why some may listen. How big is his house and what does he drive?

If you have been born again and thus active in service then I am sure you would have heard of him since he has preached extensively and can be heart 7 days a week on radio, and with all his sermons going back about 40+ years being available for free via download (we have most of them), which sets him in contrast to most ministries which usually require at least the production cost. Nor does he engage in fundraising gimmicks, but as of 2021 his net worth of is listed as over $14 million and has earned an annual salaried income of $160,000 for his services. He also has a wife and four children and 15 grandchildren.

If that is what his church wants to pay him then that is up to them before God, but then the issue is his acceptance of it and how much he gives out of it. The less fundamental Rick Warren has $25 million net worth, however he keeps only 10% of his income for himself and donates the remaining 90% to charities across the country.

[daniel1212]

"We will be deposing the key health officers and county officials and requiring them to answer for their oppressive actions under oath, and requesting all documents and information supporting their arbitrary attempts to restrict our religious liberty as a church. Our church leadership remains firmly committed to the truth that Christ is the head of the Church, and we will not yield to government's infringement upon the [B]iblical command to worship and gather together... We intend to steadfastly defend this truth and obtain appropriate constitutional and legal protections and further relief from the Court."

The commitment to organically meeting together as church is only commendable and right, however the premise which seems (based upon what I have read) to be behind an argument for that practice in the midst of a gov. recognized practice, that that the state can never prevent that, is destined to fail in the courts, since it would also mean that failing to meet requirements for building and fire codes also cannot prevent such meetings.

Courts have ruled in favor of church in cases like this then the latter were subject to a double standard, but arguing that the state cannot never prevent corporate meeting in closed spaces when there is evidence such results in spread of a virus that is often deadly to a certain class of people is unlikely to be one that will prevail.

I do not know much of the specifics of the case but rather than an all-or-nothing argument, then if meetings inside ensured that spacing was followed, and esp. with the unhealthy being separated, and even better, meeting outside and have more but shorted services, then the church would have a better chance to prevail against a states all-or-nothing requirement.

[daniel1212]

My point was the verses about homosexuality are numerous and very direct. “Thou shalt not kill” is less direct and open to some interpolation. For example some would say murder instead of kill.

But in the Hebrew the word denotes murder verse simply killing.

"Thou shalt not kill [râtsach]." (Exodus 20:13)

râtsach, raw-tsakh'; a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder:—put to death, kill, (man-) slay(-er), murder(-er).

1. to murder, slay, kill

   1. (Qal) to murder, slay

      1. premeditated

      2. accidental

      3. as avenger

      4. slayer (intentional) (participle)

   2. (Niphal) to be slain

   3. (Piel)

      1. to murder, assassinate

      2. murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)

   4. (Pual) to be killed

The KJV translates Strong's H7523 in the following manner: slayer (16x), murderer (14x), kill (5x), murder (3x), slain (3x), manslayer (2x), killing (1x), slayer (with H310) (1x), slayeth (1x), death (1x). - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h7523

Thus as said, the only real issue is when life begins, and while Scripture certainly makes it clear that the embryo is a real person before birth, yet that it begins at conception requires some degree of matter of deducement, and in which science can also be invoked. Here is good resource using both.

"Each time the Bible speaks of the unborn, there is reference to an actual person, a living human being already in existence. These Scriptures, taken in context, all indicate that God considers the unborn to be people. The language of the text continually describes them in personal terms.

Since the Bible treats those persons yet unborn as real persons, and since the development of a person is a continuum with a definite beginning at the moment of fertilization, the logical point at which a person begins to be human is at that beginning. The answer is that life begins at fertilization. Frankly, no other conclusion is possible from Scripture or science."

[Mom MD]

Amen

[Elsie]

Neither am I.

[Elsie]

My point was the instructions in Bible, and the New Testament, on homosexuality are quite direct and numerous relative to abortion.

Some folks won't believe this, lest you show them.

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A BIBLICAL Message about homosexuality

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

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Leviticus niv

18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

 

 

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Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them;

they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it.

Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

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2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight.

They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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Romans 1     New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

 

 18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.

 

24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. 

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

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We are living in a Genesis 19:9 world...

 

"Get out of our way,” they replied.
“This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge!
We’ll treat you worse than them.”
They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

 

 

 

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them;

they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it.

Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

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2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight.

They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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Romans 1     New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

 

 18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; 21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.

 

24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. 

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

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[Elsie]

Your information is quite useful; but those that need it may gloss over it by - perhaps accessing FR on their phone makes it too lengthy.

Here we post a snippet of an article to see if there is any interest in pursuing it further; leaving the bulk of the data to be accessed by the link.

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And attention spans don’t exist.

Span?

Heck - we're lucky to even GET their attention at times!

[DoodleDawg]

The conservative pastor is fighting for (1st Amendment) constitutional freedoms for his church but does not believe in freedom of religion.

The Constitution for me but not for thee?

[Elsie]

How big is his house and what does he drive?
 

 

1 Kings 10:1–24 English Standard Version

 

1 Now when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon concerning the name of the Lord, she came to test him with hard questions. 2 She came to Jerusalem with a very great retinue, with camels bearing spices and very much gold and precious stones. And when she came to Solomon, she told him all that was on her mind. 3 And Solomon answered all her questions; there was nothing hidden from the king that he could not explain to her. 4 And when the queen of Sheba had seen all the wisdom of Solomon, the house that he had built, 5 the food of his table, the seating of his officials, and the attendance of his servants, their clothing, his cupbearers, and his burnt offerings that he offered at the house of the Lord, there was no more breath in her.

6 And she said to the king, “The report was true that I heard in my own land of your words and of your wisdom, 7 but I did not believe the reports until I came and my own eyes had seen it. And behold, the half was not told me. Your wisdom and prosperity surpass the report that I heard. 8 Happy are your men! Happy are your servants, who continually stand before you and hear your wisdom! 9 Blessed be the Lord your God, who has delighted in you and set you on the throne of Israel! Because the Lord loved Israel forever, he has made you king, that you may execute justice and righteousness.” 10 Then she gave the king 120 talents of gold, and a very great quantity of spices and precious stones. Never again came such an abundance of spices as these that the queen of Sheba gave to King Solomon.

11 Moreover, the fleet of Hiram, which brought gold from Ophir, brought from Ophir a very great amount of almug wood and precious stones. 12 And the king made of the almug wood supports for the house of the Lord and for the king's house, also lyres and harps for the singers. No such almug wood has come or been seen to this day.

13 And King Solomon gave to the queen of Sheba all that she desired, whatever she asked besides what was given her by the bounty of King Solomon. So she turned and went back to her own land with her servants.

14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold, 15 besides that which came from the explorers and from the business of the merchants, and from all the kings of the west and from the governors of the land. 16 King Solomon made 200 large shields of beaten gold; 600 shekels of gold went into each shield. 17 And he made 300 shields of beaten gold; three minas of gold went into each shield. And the king put them in the House of the Forest of Lebanon. 18 The king also made a great ivory throne and overlaid it with the finest gold. 19 The throne had six steps, and the throne had a round top,4 and on each side of the seat were armrests and two lions standing beside the armrests, 20 while twelve lions stood there, one on each end of a step on the six steps. The like of it was never made in any kingdom. 21 All King Solomon's drinking vessels were of gold, and all the vessels of the House of the Forest of Lebanon were of pure gold. None were of silver; silver was not considered as anything in the days of Solomon. 22 For the king had a fleet of ships of Tarshish at sea with the fleet of Hiram. Once every three years the fleet of ships of Tarshish used to come bringing gold, silver, ivory, apes, and peacocks.

 

23  Thus King Solomon excelled all the kings of the earth in riches and in wisdom. 24 And the whole earth sought the presence of Solomon to hear his wisdom, which God had put into his mind.
 

[Elsie]

Sounds like if having money diminishes the impact of words spoken.

Perhaps there is a bit of envy or jealousy or judgementalism involved as well.

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Maybe what was required of the rich, young ruler is thought to apply to us all; especially those with more than me.

[Elsie]

or common sense!

[daniel1212]

Sounds like if having money diminishes the impact of words spoken. Perhaps there is a bit of envy or jealousy or judgementalism involved as well. Maybe what was required of the rich, young ruler is thought to apply to us all; especially those with more than me.

Wel, we all have our "riches" that we must forsake to serve the Lord whether it be false gods or pride, or surrender to the Lord Jesus for His use, whether it be in "hardware" or "software," our bodies and minds.