In Its Desperation to Get Trump, Senate Created Unconstitutional Precedent for Impeaching Former Officials

FrontPage Magazine ^ | Feb 10, 2021 | Daniel Greenfield

[Pharmboy]

“The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

“Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”

[Oldeconomybuyer]

We have become a s*hole banana republic.

[frogjerk]

Based on an awful lot of legal scholars comments and the arguments of yesterday, I think the House Managers made a pretty convincing case it was constitutional

Which "legal" scholars?

[allendale]

His best defense would have been to make the other side look ridiculous and mock them. Videos of Chuck Schumer threatening violence before the Supreme Court, The Best of Kamala Harris rants etc. etc. Pat Buchanan back in 1974 showed how easy it was to mock aDemocrats to their faces and make them look like the fools they are. This is an absurd proceeding and merits a creative response.

[bray]

Impeach Ford for falling down the steps. Impeach Reagan for picking Bush.

[californian by choice]

That precedent would be like a two-edged sword.

[SmokingJoe]

The real trial should be of the cop who murdered Ashli Babbitt.

RT
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@RTintl

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IDENTIFY four people present during CAPITOL SHOOTING - asks Babbitt's legal team

Ashli Babbitt was GUNNED down and KILLED at the Capitol riots on Jan 6th by a POLICE officer.

Her legal team have released their first statement, over one month after the event:
‘We want to thank everyone who has been so supportive of the Babbitt family. We are early in the investigative process, but we need to identify a few key witnesses. We would also greatly appreciate any video footage of the incident’.

https://gab.com/RTintl/posts/105707323180580655

[KobraKai]

This article has a dumb premise. The author assumes precedent is being set. Let’s say a future GOP congress attempts to impeach Biden in the exact same manner as being done to Trump right now. The left will make the argument that Trump is currently making, and the media will declare the left is correct and any impeachment of Biden is unconstitutional. And that will be that.

Double standards don’t matter. Hypocrisy doesn’t matter. And finally, Precedent, of all things, doesn’t matter.

[SmokingJoe]

In other news, the British executed Oliver Cromwell two years after he was already dead. Someone forgot to tell them you can't execute a dead person.
Chuckle.

January 30, 1661: Oliver Cromwell Executed Two Years After Death!
Major Dan By MAJOR DAN January 30, 2014 197 Comments

On January 30, 1661, Oliver Cromwell, former Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland, was removed from his grave and “executed” 2 years after his death!

https://www.historyandheadlines.com/january-30-1661-cromwell-executed-two-years-death/

[eartick]

Effin idiots and this includes Trump for showing up for the charade.

TEXANS, we need to get out of this failed experiment. Support #TEXIT and HB1359

[Lurkinanloomin]

But you have to keep voting for the R

No matter how bad they are

Rah Rah Romney

Hail Hail Haley

[Lurkinanloomin]

Our Republic was over at noon on Usurpation Day, January 20, 2009, when both parties abrogated the Constitution by swearing in an ineligible usurper.

[MalPearce]

From 1846:

“I hold myself, so long as I have the breath of life in my body, amenable to impeachment by [the] House for everything I did during the time I held any public office.”

- John Quincy Adams

[exDemMom]

Few to none of the 56 seemed to have given any consideration to anything except current politics.

I disagree. They are thinking ahead to future threats to their power. At this time, they are sending a message to any who might challenge them.

Their actions are those of dictators who feel confident that they will never again face a challenge to their power. Soon enough, they will stop paying lip service to the Constitution.

[exDemMom]

The ‘rats and their RINO quislings appear to be hastening the end of our republic as well.

They imagine that they will consolidate absolute power over a giant territory. The Roman empire fell apart when it was weakened.

Personally, I'd rather see us fall apart, so that those who believe they want to live in tyranny can do so, while leaving alone those of us who want to live free.

[frog in a pot]

I think the House Managers made a pretty convincing case it was constitutional...

"It" being the House impeachment. While that may be a close call, the Chief Justice of the USSC appears to disagree.

What should be clear is that this Senate proceeding in the absence of the Chief Justice is on quite doubtful terms; but that will require a formal hearing before the USSC itself.

From the article:
"But the Supreme Court has generally avoided intervening in impeachments on grounds other than violations of the specific wording of the Constitution..."

If the court agrees the CJ was not needed for the trial, then the Judiciary has stopped being an effective means of checks and balances and a Dem Senate with a simple majority vote, may amend the Constitution as desires to suit its purposes.

[bert]

Now Barak Obama can be impeached for bringing us the plague called Black Lives Matter.

That plague is much more onerous than anything done bu Donald Trump

[Mathews]

Good, in 2022 we can go after Obama and Holder for Fast and Furious, Hillary and Obama for Benghazi and Biden for Ukraine.

[RideForever]

President Trump has options to turn this circus into a sh[t show.

1) Call out Harris for not being a Natural Born Citizen as defined in Sen. Resolution 511 (2008). Neither of her parents were ‘... American citizen parents’ at her birth. Do so by asking for the names of her American citizen parents, as noticed in the Resolution.

see - link regarding NBC

2) If they still want to impeach someone, call out Obama for not being a Natural Born Citizen and remove the 44th President from history by impeachment.

3) Then suggest they impeach Joe Biden for election fraud for accepting an unqualified VP as running mate. Then they can impeach every Senator who voted to confirm Harris or Obama on election fraud grounds.

4) Have the FEC de-certify the Democrat National Committee as an on-going criminal enterprise for proposing unqualified candidates in past elections. Overnite all the (D)s become (I)s.

5) Challenge the seats of all members of Congress who voted to certify Gropin’ Joe and Kamalatoes and remove the ones elected in fraud-ridden elections.

6) After the trial, put up a ‘Help Wanted’ with the thought of firing and replacing 2/3 of all non-military federal workers. That would include the entire FBI, DOJ, and the arrest of all CIA operatives found stateside.

You can find the meaning of Natural Born Citizen here.

en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Statutes_at_Large/Volume_1/1st_Congress/2nd_Session/Chapter_3

Look for this part:

“And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, Also, children of citizens born beyond sea, &c. or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States”

That seems to be a painfully clear definition of what was meant by “Natural Born Citizen” to me; that regardless of location of birth, American kids belong to their parents. Just as foreign kids belong to their parents regardless of location of birth.

There you have it. THE GREAT RESET to MAGA!

[Java4Jay]

“The 56-44 vote”

Since when do a room full of senators vote to decide whether or not something is constitutional?

That’s not the way it’s done.

BINGO’