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1 posted on 02/05/2021 8:30:16 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Yea, so say good-bye to your elders now.


2 posted on 02/05/2021 8:31:23 AM PST by DoughtyOne (The Republican Party is dead. Long live the Founders Party.)
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To: Kaslin

First to suffer will be the veterans...


3 posted on 02/05/2021 8:31:46 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Kaslin

Be prepared for transgendering/surgical mutilation to get priority.


4 posted on 02/05/2021 8:32:10 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin

They don’t care. The end justifies the means.

I used to think that democrats were just misguided. Now, I know they’re leftists and bent on our destruction as a nation.


5 posted on 02/05/2021 8:32:14 AM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Shut the deuce up!!! I'll do the fighting!!!)
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To: Kaslin

My wife and I have not had health insurance since the day the individual mandate was given teeth. We trust the Great Healer, rather than this overpriced and only moderately effective system. And he doesn’t charge for house calls.

We’ve saved over $100,000 in insurance payments in that time. This is after tax dollars in an area where the average monthly house payment is $600.


6 posted on 02/05/2021 8:35:23 AM PST by cuban leaf (We killed our economy and damaged our culture. In 2021 we will pine for the salad days of 2020.)
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To: Kaslin

You realize that all this is immaterial to the progressives in favor of single payer. They find our present system immoral in that some have more/better health care than others. They want all to have the same even if that means less.

I’ve never been able to get a single payer advocate to answer this simple question. Which would you prefer, a system where everyone gets the same health care or a system where there are different levels of health care but every level is better than the system where everyone gets the same?


7 posted on 02/05/2021 8:35:34 AM PST by DugwayDuke (We deeply regret any inconveniences cause by the pandemic.)
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To: Kaslin
We already have rationing. Since Obamacare, the large medical group that I have little choice but to patronize feels exactly like visiting the DMV.

I’m still amazed at how the middle class completely lost access to moderately priced health care, and rationalized it away as a good thing because Obama was helping the poor.

8 posted on 02/05/2021 8:36:13 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Kaslin

The rationing in the US will be horrific, since the government will not be doing anything to lower the costs of medical care (lawyers, overpaid doctors and others, drugs, etc.). It will be FAR BETTER to be in just about any other country, if one needs medical care.


10 posted on 02/05/2021 8:41:59 AM PST by BobL (TheDonald.win is now Patriots.win)
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“CBO estimates 10 million individuals not lawfully present in the United States, of whom 8 million would sign up under the single-payer system.”

10 million, eh? How many years ago would that have been even close?


11 posted on 02/05/2021 8:52:06 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Kaslin
Rationing is to be expected in ANY industry where third-party payments are the norm.

Americans can't afford the standard of health care they've come to expect as their God-given right. The only way to fix this is to tell them the truth. If we're not willing to do that, then the "third party" in question will be telling them the hard way.

In our political and legal system, the government is the only one who can do this because it doesn't have to worry about getting sued by everyone who is denied a life-saving medical treatment (that someone else is paying for).

12 posted on 02/05/2021 8:56:47 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("There's somebody new and he sure ain't no rodeo man.")
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“CBO does believe the supply of care will rise, reflecting administrative savings in both money (e.g., medical practices spending less money on billing clerks) and time (e.g., doctors and nurses spending less time seeking authorizations, etc.). CBO also thinks medical providers will increase the supply of care provided in response to the added demand.”

Utter unbelievable claptrap. Look at any department that has been federalized and see. Adding layers of regulations always leads to inefficiency. Federalizing all healthcare will lead to more and more layers.


13 posted on 02/05/2021 9:06:48 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Kaslin

Over 65, say goodbye now.


15 posted on 02/05/2021 9:17:58 AM PST by DownInFlames (Ga)
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To: Kaslin

Cuomo, Newsom, Inslee, Pritzker and the Whip Mistress all gave us a preview of the about-to-be-codified death panels with their orders consigning so many elderly to the nursing home/gas chambers. Buckle up.


16 posted on 02/05/2021 9:29:24 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Kaslin

Just giving “Free” healthcare to ILLEGAL Immigrants will kill the system, with the borders now wide open.


17 posted on 02/05/2021 9:40:24 AM PST by G Larry (Authority is vested in those to whom it applies.)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t favor socialized medicine. But anyone who believes health care is not already rationed is not paying attention. Anytime you have a third party paying a good portion of the bill you can be sure they are also deciding who is eligible for what care. It may not even be an outright denial. It could be telling you the med your doctor prescribed is not on an approved formulary list and refusing that drug in favor of another. Telling you a doctor you want to visit is not in network that is also a type of rationing. People tolerate this because they believe it is the only way to make health care affordable.


18 posted on 02/05/2021 9:56:13 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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"CBO: If Democrats Push Socialized Medicine, Get Ready For Rationing"
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

The CBO needs to be required to publicly announce when Democrats make laws and spend tax dollars for things that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, healthcare concerns in this example.

First, consider the following general clarifications of Congress's constitutionally limited powers by previous generations of state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices.

Regarding the constitutionality of socialized federal healthcare, CBO should be required to point out that, regardless what the misguided, institutionally indoctrinated Roberts Supreme Court wants everybody to think about the constitutionality of Obamacare, the Court wrongly “overlooked” the following about Obamacare imo.

More specifically, previous generations of state sovereignty-respecting justices had already clarified that the states have never expressly constitutionally given the feds the specific power to dictate, regulate, tax and spend in the name of INTRAstate healthcare.

In other words, if the post-17th Amendment ratification Congress wasn’t always stealing state revenues through unconstitutional taxes, then the states would find the revenues that they need to establish their own individual healthcare programs, depending on what the legal majority voters of each state want.

In fact, the congressional record shows that Rep. John Bingham, a constitutional lawmaker, had clarified that the Founding States had left the care of the people uniquely to the states, not the federal government.

”[…] the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Federal Constitution, is in the States, and not in the Federal Government [emphases added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe, 1866. (See about middle of 3rd column.)

Justice Brandeis later reflected on Bingham's words when Brandeis spoke of the individual states as laboratories of democracy, depending on what legal majority voters of a given state want.

"It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose [emphasis added], serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country.” —Justice Brandeis, Laboratories of democracy.

The Roberts Court also got the Obamacare individual mandate wrong imo since 19th century justices had also previously clarified that insurance policies are contracts, not commerce, the Commerce Clause (1.8.3) therefore not giving Congress the specific power regulate insurance, regardless if buyer and seller are domiciled in different states.

"Issuing a policy of insurance is not a transaction of commerce. The policies are simple contracts of idemnity against loss by fire, entered into between the corporations and the assured, for a consideration paid by the latter. These contracts are not articles of commerce in any proper meaning of the word. They are not subjects of trade and barter offered in the market as something having an existence and value independent of the parties to them. They are not commodities to be shipped or forwarded from one State to another, and then put up for sale. They are like other personal contracts between parties which are completed by their signature and the transfer of the consideration. Such contracts are not inter-state transactions, though the parties may be domiciled in different States." —Paul v. Virginia, 1868.

In fact, Speaker Pelosi scandalously ignored Rep. Jessie Jackson Jr.'s repeatedly introduced resolution to first successfully petition the states for a healthcare amendment to the Constitution so that Congress could justify establishing Obamacare before irresponsibly ramming unconstitutional Obamacare through the House.

H.J.Res. 30 (108th): Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States regarding the right of citizens of the United States to health care of equal high quality.

The reason that patriots everywhere are now being oppressed under the boots of unconstitutionally big federal government is the following imo.

Regardless that the last of state sovereignty-respecting majority Supreme Court justices had clarified the fed's constitutionally limited powers in United States v. Butler, using inappropriate words like “concept" and “implied,” FDR’s state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices later scandalously initiated the politically correct repeal of the 10th Amendment in Wickard v. Filburn (Wickard).

And since the time of Wickard, generations of misguided voters have unthinkingly abused their 17A voting power to not only finish off the 10th Amendment, but have also effectively nullified the Constitution’s Article V amendment process by electing corrupt senators who promise constitutionally indefensible federal spending programs to get themselves elected regardless what the states that they're supposed to be representing want.

Finally, the states would be able to afford their own individual social security and retirement programs as the Founding States had intended, if the state ever wised up and put a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes.

21 posted on 02/05/2021 10:16:35 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Kaslin

Get Ready For Rationing. Get ready for outright murder.
The democrats are doing this now by banning medicine like HCQ that cures the chinese virus.


23 posted on 02/05/2021 10:41:50 AM PST by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: Kaslin

And as with the Wuhan Cooties shots, elderly whites will be the last in line.


25 posted on 02/06/2021 8:07:36 AM PST by FreeNV
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