Posted on 02/05/2021 5:10:58 AM PST by ConservativeStLouisGuy
“And yeah-they never brought fraud evidence.”
Incorrect. They had reams in Nevada not that it mattered. Rudy gets attacked but he’s correct about the courts. They didn’t want to sift through election fraud evidence.
I noticed from deport’s link that CatOwner has been on Free Republic for more than 20 years. As someone who respects seniority, I’m guessing that CatOwner is the real deal (not a troll).
CatOwner
Since Dec 13, 2000
This particular situation is not going to be remedied by the courts. Its going to be remedied by military tribunals. They give you a fair one day trial then they hang you.
Well, I will admit that both your criticisms have strength and are rather deflating. It would be nice to know how many withdrawn suits were consolidated, and how many were withdrawn due to lack of resources or time. Absent other reasons, January 20 makes remaining suits mootable by courts hearing cases.
Outside the scope of the article is, of course, the total surrender of the Republican party to Democrat electoral fraud and failure to confront it and to support their President.
Once again, one has to wonder at the wisdom of the Founders.
Under the original text of the Federal Constitution, the national election was conducted in November and the presidential inauguration was in March. An impatient Franklin Delano Roosevelt pressed for a constitutional amendment to move up the inauguration to January. Damned difficult to conduct post-election litigation in sixty-eight days.
First, of the 80 total lawsuits, 34 have either been withdrawn, consolidated with other suits, or dismissed due to legal technicalities such as lack of standing, timing, or jurisdiction. Those judges who dismissed suits never heard the actual evidence of election irregularities and/or fraud, since they did not allow it to be presented in their courtrooms. Such cases cannot be counted as a loss for Trump. If anything, they are evidence of a failure of our judicial system to – at a moment of national crisis – actually address election fraud.
Notice how they lump in suits that were “withdrawn” in here, of which there were quite a few. Meaning voluntarily dismissed by the plaintiff. I.e., Trump gave up in those cases. If the judge didn’t hear evidence in those cases, it is not because the judge didn’t allow it, it is because Trump chose not to present it.
Also, jurisdiction, standing, and timeliness are not “technicalities,” and judges applying the law are not a sign of “failure of the judiciary.” Since when did purported “conservatives” begin favoring unlimited judicial activism? For crying out loud, standing is a conservative doctrine.
Of the 46 remaining lawsuits, 25 cases are still ongoing, so that the winner and loser of these cases is yet to be determined, while 21 have been completely adjudicated. These are cases where the court heard arguments, considered any relevant evidence, and then issued a formal ruling on the merits. You may be surprised to learn that, of these 21 cases, Trump has won 14 and lost 7.
And yet, Biden’s electors were appointed in every disputed state. If you win your case about where the poll watchers get to stand, but then lose the election and lose your lawsuit challenging the election, you lose.
Further, just three (3) lawsuits addressed voting machine inaccuracies (purposeful or accidental). One of these was dismissed (due to jurisdiction), one was ruled against (although no discovery was granted), and one is still open (discovery was granted).”
Burying the lead here. So in other words, after all these claims that Trump’s lawyers claim the judges won’t hear their fraud evidence, it turns out they only filed 3 lawsuits about fraud.
And this breakdown isn’t even true. There was at least one case, in Nevada, where the judge did allow discovery, and then the judge ruled against Trump based on the evidence. Trump’s lawyers failed to notice any depositions during the time frame allowed by the judge, though. At the evidentiary hearing, they presented no fact witnesses at all, and relied solely on the speculative testimony of three experts.
” The likely explanation for so few cases in these two areas is that legally proving fraud or voting machine manipulations are very time-consuming processes, that require substantial investigative work and documentation. There simply wasn’t enough time to do this prior to key points in the process (like the Electoral College).”
That’s not what Trump’s lawyers said. They never said they needed time to do discovery to find evidence. They said they had mountains of evidence and courts wouldn’t hear it. Which, this study confirms, was a lie.
Trump’s lawyers perpetrated a hoax against a majority of Republican voters and, perhaps, against Trump himself. Frankly, I don’t think Trump believed their crap, either, though.
Thanks for posting.
Don’t confuse “we lost that battle, on to the next” with “total surrender”.
Having won (whether by hook or crook), Democrats now have to hold that ground - and they’re already screwing it up.
The reason they must impeach him to try and stop him
“Having won (whether by hook or crook), Democrats now have to hold that ground - and they’re already screwing it up.”
ctdonath2, Thanks!
No, no surrender in any case.
The public’s impression is that there was Electoral Fraud that affected the election, whatever the courts say about standing, laches, and mootness. The Democrats urge to rule as totalitarians and anti-constitutionalists is increasingly ugly and evident to everyone, even people in their own party.
I have not written my representatives this past year as at any time in the past.
Work for this to be a their Pyrrhic victory and not our Thermopyle.
Seems like a good place to post this:
Supreme Court Docket links here:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/20-815.html
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/20-845.html
https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/20-799.html
All show “ DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 2/19/2021.”
So, bundled and mootable? Or sort for constitutional issues ? (Certainly PA!)
From:
Bulls#it. Wins in court are validation the election fraud took place. It's ammunition to refute the lie that election fraud wasn't the reason Trump lost and that truth still matters.
We know. But, continuing to present the truth that election fraud was the reason Biden is in office matters. It's the only hope of election reforms necessary to assure free and fair Presidential elections in the future.
“ Well, I will admit that both your criticisms have strength and are rather deflating”
That was the intent, just as it’s the intent of pretty much everything he/she/it posts. Not everyone here on FR is on our side, the side of good.
[Frankly, I don’t think Trump believed their crap, either, though. ]
Still, even the Georgia election fiasco might be seen as a deliberate attempt to make things worse by giving the Democrats free rein so 2022 and 2024 become boomerang years, in political terms, that see the Democrats getting slaughtered at the polling booth. If Trump had done 4 rallies in GA during the closing days, Loeffler and Perdue might have pulled through. My distinct impression is that he deliberately held back. And that is why some House and Senate members are furious at him.
Blu Monday:
Here you be Captain!
Posted in a later FR post. Excel spread sheet showing the election fraud cases.
http://wiseenergy.org/Energy/Election/2020_Election_Cases.htm
Agree, so I went a bought myself a Harley and will just enjoy my apolitical rest of my life!
That sounds like a good idea. We are going to move to the mountains and enjoy the rest of our lives back in the constitutional republic.
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