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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy
They’re reporting what many of us have been pointing out, albeit with a pretty ridiculous spin. Is Trump winning or are the courts refusing to hear his evidence? Of course, the truth is neither.

First, of the 80 total lawsuits, 34 have either been withdrawn, consolidated with other suits, or dismissed due to legal technicalities such as lack of standing, timing, or jurisdiction. Those judges who dismissed suits never heard the actual evidence of election irregularities and/or fraud, since they did not allow it to be presented in their courtrooms. Such cases cannot be counted as a loss for Trump. If anything, they are evidence of a failure of our judicial system to – at a moment of national crisis – actually address election fraud.

Notice how they lump in suits that were “withdrawn” in here, of which there were quite a few. Meaning voluntarily dismissed by the plaintiff. I.e., Trump gave up in those cases. If the judge didn’t hear evidence in those cases, it is not because the judge didn’t allow it, it is because Trump chose not to present it.

Also, jurisdiction, standing, and timeliness are not “technicalities,” and judges applying the law are not a sign of “failure of the judiciary.” Since when did purported “conservatives” begin favoring unlimited judicial activism? For crying out loud, standing is a conservative doctrine.

Of the 46 remaining lawsuits, 25 cases are still ongoing, so that the winner and loser of these cases is yet to be determined, while 21 have been completely adjudicated. These are cases where the court heard arguments, considered any relevant evidence, and then issued a formal ruling on the merits. You may be surprised to learn that, of these 21 cases, Trump has won 14 and lost 7.

And yet, Biden’s electors were appointed in every disputed state. If you win your case about where the poll watchers get to stand, but then lose the election and lose your lawsuit challenging the election, you lose.

Further, just three (3) lawsuits addressed voting machine inaccuracies (purposeful or accidental). One of these was dismissed (due to jurisdiction), one was ruled against (although no discovery was granted), and one is still open (discovery was granted).”

Burying the lead here. So in other words, after all these claims that Trump’s lawyers claim the judges won’t hear their fraud evidence, it turns out they only filed 3 lawsuits about fraud.

And this breakdown isn’t even true. There was at least one case, in Nevada, where the judge did allow discovery, and then the judge ruled against Trump based on the evidence. Trump’s lawyers failed to notice any depositions during the time frame allowed by the judge, though. At the evidentiary hearing, they presented no fact witnesses at all, and relied solely on the speculative testimony of three experts.

” The likely explanation for so few cases in these two areas is that legally proving fraud or voting machine manipulations are very time-consuming processes, that require substantial investigative work and documentation. There simply wasn’t enough time to do this prior to key points in the process (like the Electoral College).”

That’s not what Trump’s lawyers said. They never said they needed time to do discovery to find evidence. They said they had mountains of evidence and courts wouldn’t hear it. Which, this study confirms, was a lie.

Trump’s lawyers perpetrated a hoax against a majority of Republican voters and, perhaps, against Trump himself. Frankly, I don’t think Trump believed their crap, either, though.

27 posted on 02/05/2021 6:36:15 AM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: The Pack Knight

[Frankly, I don’t think Trump believed their crap, either, though. ]


From the beginning, I saw Trump using this as a fund-raising opportunity and a chance to create a bloody-shirt mythology for a rematch in 2024. Of course, Trump has been known to do things just because ...

Still, even the Georgia election fiasco might be seen as a deliberate attempt to make things worse by giving the Democrats free rein so 2022 and 2024 become boomerang years, in political terms, that see the Democrats getting slaughtered at the polling booth. If Trump had done 4 rallies in GA during the closing days, Loeffler and Perdue might have pulled through. My distinct impression is that he deliberately held back. And that is why some House and Senate members are furious at him.


36 posted on 02/05/2021 1:37:12 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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