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Fourteenth Amendment Follies
Frontpagemagazine ^ | Jan 26, 2021 | Matthew Vadum

Posted on 01/26/2021 6:36:51 AM PST by SJackson

Desperate Democrats want to get medieval on Trump.

Democrats are so scared one of their all-time favorite boogeymen, former President Donald Trump, will run and humiliate them again they are considering banishing him from electoral politics forever through an obscure constitutional provision created in the aftermath of the Civil War to deal with Confederate leaders and soldiers.

Disqualifying opposing candidates, in case you forgot, is part of the old Barack Obama playbook from his Illinois Senate days, and, call me crazy, but Donald Trump is no Jefferson Davis.

Because leftist depravity is bottomless, it should come as no surprise that Democrats are fine with going full-on banana republic to “save” the country from the potential reemergence of a truly great, legitimate president who, unlike the phony who has (temporarily) succeeded him, loves America, and who spent his four years in office expertly outfoxing Democrats to the benefit of the American people.

And because two bogus impeachments based on absolutely nothing are not enough for these people, left-wing lawmakers, wooden stakes in hand, are demanding Section 3 of the 14th Amendment be invoked before Count Trumpula rises from the political grave.

That amendment, by the way, was ratified July 9, 1868, a little over three years after Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia surrendered at Appomattox Court House and Democrat actor John Wilkes Booth assassinated the Republican U.S. president, Abraham Lincoln.

The constitutional provision itself, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, known as the Disqualification Clause, reads:

“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

If Section 3 isn’t enough to bury Trump, Section 5 gives Congress the power to enforce the 14th Amendment through “appropriate legislation.”

Some very creative scholars claim this means a simple majority of both chambers of Congress could pass a law applying a ban on future political activities to a particular former president, like Donald Trump.

Marxist history professor Eric Foner urges the Democrats to get medieval on the 45th president and hold a political show trial.

The 14th Amendment “can be invoked against anyone who has ever taken an oath to support the Constitution, including the president,” he said, according to the Nation.

“It’s much simpler than impeachment. It is not a judicial proceeding. It’s a political proceeding. It doesn’t involve lawyers or trials. It is simply about qualification for office. You could have one afternoon of debate and a vote.”

Such a show trial, of course, would be a textbook “bill of attainder” that criminalizes behavior after the fact and singles out a specific individual for punishment, something Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution explicitly forbids because the Framers rightly viewed it as a hallmark of tyranny.

The process newly espoused by Democrats desperate to satisfy their Trump Derangement Syndrome-suffering base because an impeachment conviction in the Senate is looking unlikely, sounds dangerously like an unconstitutional bill of attainder and ex post facto legislation or maybe even a Roman proscription. If they could, Democrats in Congress who only revere the Constitution when it aids their cause, would no doubt try to impose the ancient punishment of corruption of the blood against the ex-president and all members of the Trump family, escheating, or forfeiting, their property to the government.

Such processes have rarely been used to mete justice – they are instruments of malice, humiliation, and revenge that send messages to enemies. Attainder was a politically expedient way for the king to convict individuals of crimes, condemn them to death, and confiscate their property without holding a trial and presenting incriminating evidence.

Attainder is thought to have been used for the first time in 1321 to railroad Hugh le Despenser, 1st Earl of Winchester and his son Hugh Despenser the Younger, Earl of Gloucester, for ending up on the losing side of a power struggle. Their crime was supporting Edward II over Edward III.

Having prevailed in battle over Richard III, in 1485 Henry VII had Richard, who was already dead at the time, attainted in an act of victor’s justice.

In a grotesquely unfair procedure, Henry VIII used it in 1542 to attaint for high treason and execute his free-spirited fifth wife, Catherine Howard, for adultery and the “crime” of marrying the king while unchaste.

In 1660, after the monarchy was restored in England, Charles II had Oliver Cromwell, who was already dead, attainted and posthumously executed. Cromwell’s corpse was disinterred from Westminster Abbey and hanged in chains after which it was thrown into a pit. What was left of his head was severed and publicly displayed on a pole for years.

This kind of freewheeling Dark Ages justice is fine with Team TDS.

Using the 14th Amendment is “an idea that’s out there that I think people are contemplating in the accountability space,” said Antifa-loving Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va., pictured above), who added he was “quite confident” Congress could act under the constitutional amendment.

“I just want us to choose a path that maximizes focus on the Biden-Harris agenda,” said Kaine, The Hill newspaper reported.

Kaine’s son, Woody, is a violent Antifa terrorist, who was part of a 2017 assault on Trump supporters in the Minnesota Capitol. Young Kaine, who fought with police as they tried to arrest him for lobbing a smoke bomb, was convicted of obstructing legal process and interfering with a peace officer and given jail time. A few weeks before the Antifa action, Sen. Kaine himself urged Democrats to “fight back” against the Trump administration “in the streets,” which by the Democrats’ own standards in Trump’s second impeachment would make Kaine guilty of inciting insurrection.

“The remedies of the 14th Amendment certainly may be appropriate for someone who incites an insurrection as Donald Trump did,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, adding Congress could do it by way of a resolution.

“All of these are questions of first impression, in terms of constitutionality,” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.). “I certainly think there is a 14th Amendment avenue separate and aside from impeachment.”

(Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, by the way, wants to use the 14th Amendment against GOP Sens. Josh Hawley of Missouri and Ted Cruz of Texas, ousting them and disqualifying them from holding public office because they dared to contest the congressional certification of 2020 election results from states where the Democrat machine successfully rigged the election.)

Presumably, private citizen Trump, a billionaire land developer, has no interest in becoming a member of the U.S. Senate or U.S. House, or a member of the Electoral College, nor any desire to hold any office, civil or military under the United States or under any state.

And it is far from clear whether the presidency is an “office” or whether the president is an “officer” of the United States within the meaning of the Disqualification Clause. The offices of “Senator” and “Representative” are identified specifically, but not president.

If the drafters of the amendment wanted to allow for the possibility of excluding a president from holding one of the offices mentioned –including the presidency itself— they would have said so. And why would they bother when elsewhere in the Constitution a mechanism for impeaching, trying, and removing a president was already laid out?

Even if the effort to use the 14th Amendment against Trump were to clear the office/officer bar, there remains the question of whether he “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or [gave] aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Some say the House already made a finding Trump was guilty of insurrection because his supposed incitement thereof is (falsely) treated as fact in the new impeachment article. But an impeachment is akin to an indictment – a mere accusation, rather than a conviction.

Indiana University law professor Gerard Magliocca argues that a court, not Congress, “must determine if someone outside of Congress is subject to the disability.” The point “was established in cases between 1868 and 1872, in which men who were accused of being ineligible contested that claim in court with full due process of law.”

“Congress cannot simply declare an official outside of that body ineligible under Section 3 without the concurrence of the courts. To hold otherwise would allow simple majorities in Congress to oust federal and state officials without judicial scrutiny and would subvert long-established constitutional principles, such as life tenure for federal judges and the limits of the impeachment process.”

The last time the Disqualification Clause was used appears to have been in 1919, against Rep. Victor L. Berger of Wisconsin, the first Socialist elected to Congress.

Berger was convicted of violating the Espionage Act for publicly opposing American intervention in World War One, a war prosecuted by Democrat president Woodrow Wilson, arguably the closest thing to a fascist ever to occupy the Oval Office.

Congress denied Berger his seat. After the Supreme Court overturned his Espionage Act conviction, Berger went on to be elected to three more terms in the House of Representatives.

So using the 14th Amendment to halt a possible Trump revival is not only a half-baked, banana republic-like, probably unconstitutional idea, but it seems doomed to fail.

What would we do without left-wingers and their cutting-edge, innovative insights into the law?



TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; homosexualagenda; keystonexl; scotus

1 posted on 01/26/2021 6:36:51 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

it can also be used against every democrat that has infringed on our second amendment right.


2 posted on 01/26/2021 6:45:50 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something)
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To: SJackson
The last time the Disqualification Clause was used appears to have been in 1919, against Rep. Victor L. Berger of Wisconsin … for publicly opposing American intervention in World War One

And Donald Trump is the first president in a long time to NOT get us involved in any new wars.

The Power Elite love the idea of endless wars. And they like to crush anyone who thinks war should be avoided.

3 posted on 01/26/2021 6:46:22 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I'm sorry the Q thing didn't work out. We were wrong about that.)
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To: SJackson

This is about preventing ANY Republican for running in ‘24. Who would want to subject themselves to such treai. I mean other than a demonicRAT approved designated loser. Like Mittens.


4 posted on 01/26/2021 6:50:50 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: SJackson

“The last time the Disqualification Clause was used appears to have been in 1919, against Rep. Victor L. Berger of Wisconsin, the first Socialist elected to Congress.”

For the record, Wisconsin IS the Birthplace of the Republican Party...which is now worth less than a bucket of warm spit!

So, I guess, never mind, LOL!


5 posted on 01/26/2021 6:57:42 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: SJackson
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

Trump is not guilty of this. He did not engage in insurrection or rebellion or give aid or comfort. He explicitly stated "peaceful" protest and condemned the violent protesters after the fact.

6 posted on 01/26/2021 7:16:57 AM PST by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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To: SJackson

If they really think Biden won fairly they should be able to run a fencepost and beat Trump the next time.


7 posted on 01/26/2021 7:20:39 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan. )
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To: Jackson; All
It’s the Democratic elite, not MAGA Trump, including Democratic and RINO officials in both federal and state governments, likewise for the courts, who allegedly supported foreign country interference in the 2020 elections, imo, and need to be removed from their government offices under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Also consider that the Supreme Court failed to give the Trump campaign due process when it used the unconstitutional excuse imo of "no standing" to ignore evidence of multi-state Democratic vote-counting fraud.

From a related thread…

When Texas sued Pennsylvania for fraudulent vote counting related to electoral votes, the Supreme Court dismissed the case on the so-called basis that Texas had no standing to disagree with another state’s electoral votes.

The Court's action denied Texas due process imo.

More specifically, Justice Joseph Story had clarified concerning the Constitution’s Article III, Section 2, Clause 1 state versus state clause, that the clause was intended as a last resort to avoid conflicts between states.

"Article III, Section 2, Clause 1: The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States [emphasis added];—between a State and Citizens of another State; (See Note 10)-- between Citizens of different States, --between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects."

In other words, the Roberts Court wrongly ignored (imo) that being a state is the only standing that a state needed in order for the Supremes to hear complaints against another state imo.

From the writings of Justice Joseph Story…

From paragraph 1675 above, the bottom line is that regardless that Justice Story had indicated that the Court would always be obligated (my word) to hear conflicts between the states, the misguided Supremes nevertheless invented the requirement for standing in Massachusetts v. Mellon, 1923.

"The same necessity, which gave rise to it in our colonial state, must continue to operate through all future time." —Justice Joseph Story, Article 3, Section 2, Clause 1, Commentaries on the Constitution 3,1833, The University of Chicago Press.

Also, consider that the Civil War Union States ignored any electoral votes of the Confederate States for the presidential election of 1864.

"Because eleven Southern states had declared secession from the Union and formed the Confederate States of America, only twenty-five states participated in the election." —Presidential election of 1864

Corrections, insights welcome.

8 posted on 01/26/2021 7:38:12 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: SJackson

My second great uncle served as an officer in the Confederate Army and lost a leg at the Battle of Corinth. Subsequently, he served as the Governor of Arkansas and for many years there after, as a United States Senator. Of course, like most Confederate Officers, he swore allegiance to the United States and received a pardon. He was a Democrat, before and after the Civil War. Many other former Confederates served the United States in many capacities after the Civil War.


9 posted on 01/26/2021 7:41:02 AM PST by centurion316
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To: bigbob
If they really think Biden won fairly they should be able to run a fencepost and beat Trump the next time.

Excellent point. The left's actions against President Trump are obviously based on significant fear, terror even, at the thought of his running for President again in 2024. There is no other reason to pursue yet another sham impeachment, or a 14th Amendment based bludgeon.

If the leftists are to be believed, a deranged old man with pedophile tendencies and a provably criminal family, paired with a VP candidate who dropped out of the primaries without winning any of them...soundly defeated President Trump. Arguably the 'rats ran the two worst candidates they've had in the last 50 years and still "won." So why so much fear for '24?

Unless of course they know their candidates did not win. They are illegally and illegitimately occupying their offices due to industrial scale voter fraud. Seriously, industrial scale printing of illegal ballots (coupled with illegal acceptance of these ballots) is the only way they were able to steal the election.

These efforts to disqualify President Trump from returning and continuing to expose their activities are a tacit admission that they cannot beat him in a fair fight. They are frightened, and they should be. President Trump just might top 100 million votes in '24.

10 posted on 01/26/2021 8:12:56 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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To: SJackson

We have a Congress FULL of people who qualify under that language...but they go free.


11 posted on 01/26/2021 8:25:19 AM PST by ridesthemiles ( )
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To: Amendment10

Also, consider that the Civil War Union States ignored any electoral votes of the Confederate States for the presidential election of 1864.

“Because eleven Southern states had declared secession from the Union and formed the Confederate States of America, only twenty-five states participated in the election.” —Presidential election of 1864>>>. Interesting that the states recognized secession by ignoring the some confederate states electors only for the election process.
Not sure of the source but interesting
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/election-1864
Elections were held in Union-occupied military districts in Louisiana and Tennessee, but Congress did not add their electoral votes to the final count.


12 posted on 01/26/2021 8:27:24 AM PST by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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To: Texas Eagle
treai = treatment

I have no idea what auto-correct was thinking on that one.

13 posted on 01/26/2021 8:40:29 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: bigbob

That was the whole point of Biden / Harris.
They proved that they can run a fencepost and win.


14 posted on 01/26/2021 1:58:50 PM PST by Little Ray (The Left and Right no longer have anything in common. A House divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: SJackson

Bkmk


15 posted on 01/26/2021 2:13:28 PM PST by sauropod (#RecallMcConnell. #Resist. #NotMyPresident.)
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