[liberalh8ter]

There's two simple things you have to consider if you're sitting on the fence....1. A candidate should never lose votes as we clearly saw happen to our President. 2. Biden got more votes than Obama despite no turnout to his rallies and no viewership when being televised. Explain those two things and I'll start looking to debunk the rest of the evidence.

[Alberta's Child]

I would recommend dropping any comparisons of vote numbers from one election to another. There are simply more voters today than there were in 2008 or 2012, so comparing actual numbers is meaningless.

I'd also suggest that the idiotic mail-in ballot process pretty much ensured that Biden would get millions more votes than Obama even if only the legitimate ballots were counted. Enabling people to vote by mail drives up voter turnout in two groups: people who are lazy and people who are stupid. The vast majority of these people are going to be Democrats.