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Fact-checking Trump’s false claims about Pennsylvania’s election before his supporters attacked the Capitol
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | January 6, 2021 | Jonathan Lai

Posted on 01/08/2021 5:36:08 AM PST by lasereye

President Donald Trump was wrong.

There is no discrepancy between the number of voters and the number of votes counted.

The claim that there were more ballots than voters comes from a flawed analysis done by state Republican lawmakers who relied on incomplete data and a misunderstanding of how those data are collected.

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Trump’s false claim: “More than 60,000 ballots in Pennsylvania were reported received back, they got back, before they were ever supposedly mailed out. In other words you got the ballot before you mailed it!”

The reality: As with the claim about discrepancies in vote histories, this appears to be based on a misunderstanding of how election data are collected. The key is to understand that the state database is old — it was rolled out nearly two decades ago — and run by humans who were stretched thin running an election with historic turnout during a public health crisis.

Here’s how it works: After you apply for a mail ballot, a worker processes and approves the application, then prints and mails a ballot to you. Later, when you return the ballot, the bar code on the envelope is scanned to acknowledge that it was received, which updates the voter history.

All of that depends on workers manually updating the system, and they were usually dealing with a massive backlog of ballots and applications. That means, for example, that a ballot application could have been received days before it was processed, or a ballot could be received weeks or even months before it was marked as received.

It’s not an automated system, and the data are imperfect.

The system also sometimes simply glitches, as was the case when voters received multiple emails telling them their ballots were on the way, even after they’d been received.

(Excerpt) Read more at inquirer.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: gaslighting; jonathanlai; pa; paping; pennsylvania; thedailygaslight; votefraud; yourlyingeyes
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This "fact check" published in the Philly Inquirer is by Politifact. The reason I posted this is mainly about the alleged refutation of the claim that more than 60,000 ballots were received before they were mailed.

After you apply for a mail ballot, a worker processes and approves the application, then prints and mails a ballot to you. Later, when you return the ballot, the bar code on the envelope is scanned to acknowledge that it was received, which updates the voter history.

All of that depends on workers manually updating the system, and they were usually dealing with a massive backlog of ballots and applications. That means, for example, that a ballot application could have been received days before it was processed, or a ballot could be received weeks or even months before it was marked as received.

A delay in processing the ballot after it was physically received could not cause it to be reported as having been received earlier than it was actually received. Just the opposite. It would cause it to be recorded later than it was actually received. The fact checkers appear to be think their readers are stupid -which they generally are.

Theoretically they could have been recorded as mailed out some time after they were actually mailed out, but I assume that has to be recorded immediately. They have to have accurate information in real time as to what ballots got sent out. Otherwise they wouldn't know not to send another one.

Politifact then points out that emails were sent to people that their ballot is on its way after they already got it. That appears to be deliberate deception on their part. It is not an explanation of how ballots could have been recorded as received before they were recorded as mailed out. Of course emails can be sent after the ballot was received by the voter. The email system has no way of knowing that it arrived. It's a totally irrelevant point that is apparently intended to confuse stupid people.

The database being old is another red herring.

1 posted on 01/08/2021 5:36:08 AM PST by lasereye
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To: lasereye

The author has an appropriate last name. Depending on the pronunciation.


2 posted on 01/08/2021 5:38:30 AM PST by JennysCool (2020: Aging “world socialists” promoting their ideology by scaring the crap out of gullible people.)
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To: lasereye

Failed English major “Lyin” Jonathan Lai is concerned enough about his party’s dirty election that he had to write this pile of pony cr@p about it.


3 posted on 01/08/2021 5:45:15 AM PST by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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Yo Jon you not getting paid today because we missed a manual step in the process and ya know sometimes the number just don’t add up.


4 posted on 01/08/2021 5:46:30 AM PST by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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They might be right but since they admit that it’s not a perfect system they shouldn’t have done it that way in the first place.


5 posted on 01/08/2021 5:47:00 AM PST by escapefromboston (Free Assange )
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The easiest way to settle it is this: Biden allegedly got 3,459,923 votes in Pennsylvania.

So, they should be able to produce 3,459,923 original paper ballots for us to go through.

I'd want Rudy Giuliani's team conducting the count. Otherwise, I will always know they lied.

6 posted on 01/08/2021 5:49:25 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (The greatest wealth is to live content with little. -Plato)
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To: lasereye
Fact Checkers?

ROTFLMAO!


7 posted on 01/08/2021 5:50:07 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (STOLEN ELECTION 2020)
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To: lasereye

How come “glitches” only favor democrats?


8 posted on 01/08/2021 5:50:19 AM PST by Eagles6
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Thought it was me and maybe I was reading the gobly gook pedantic writings of a 3rd grader...


9 posted on 01/08/2021 5:53:32 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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A COBOL legacy system ???


10 posted on 01/08/2021 6:01:37 AM PST by Seajay (Ordem e Progresso)
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Who is jonathan lai?


11 posted on 01/08/2021 6:19:24 AM PST by sauropod ("No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain)
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To: JennysCool
The author has an appropriate last name. Depending on the pronunciation.

Is he a ChiCom plant?

This article provides no convincing evidence. It is just fabrications that indicate the official record is incorrect. No excuse for that. As for the election being run by humans who were stretched thin during a public health crisis, I can only surmise that the dickless Health Secretary was bent over the Governor's desk. That was the only thing getting stretched. Sorry for being crude, but these pieces of schiff need to be abused at every opportunity.

12 posted on 01/08/2021 6:23:15 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (See Profile: I'm giving up.)
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The short of the argument is that they don’t actually know whether the claim is right or wrong, since the State’s records are flawed. Elsewhere the rebuttal is that the 4 largest counties still haven’t reported their total ballot intake two months after the election.


13 posted on 01/08/2021 7:53:13 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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The state database must be fully updated before the first votes are cast or counted. Otherwise you don’t know if a particular vote is from someone who is entitled to vote. There might be some corrections afterwards, but they should be few in number. Then anyone who audits the votes, is working from that same database. Any subsequent changes would be held back until all auditing is done - or a copy of that database is archived for future reference.


14 posted on 01/08/2021 9:15:30 AM PST by Mr Information
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Propaganda report to ensue: Philadelphia Inquirer


15 posted on 01/08/2021 10:05:28 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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This is just another 'CYA" story to make sure that those who believe EVERYTHING they read continue to swallow the LIE that there was NO FRAUD.
16 posted on 01/08/2021 1:51:46 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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Pennsylvania Ping!

Please ping me with articles of interest.

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17 posted on 01/09/2021 9:14:54 AM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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Levin: Why Pennsylvania Mail-in-Ballot Changes Are Unconstitutional
18 posted on 01/09/2021 9:40:41 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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19 posted on 01/09/2021 9:43:38 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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After this fraud was discovered public access to the data base was ended.

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20 posted on 01/09/2021 9:47:08 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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