If the VP could unilaterally reject electoral votes, Joe Biden would have made Hillary Clinton the president in January 2017.
Now people will say he is a traitor for following the rules?
Exactly, you can’t overturn the will of the people even though its obvious that fraud occurred..heck the left for FOUR years claimed that Trump really didnt win, we would have been outraged had Obama and Biden refused to let Trump take office
“I don’t know what anyone expected VP Pence to do.
If the VP could unilaterally reject electoral votes, Joe Biden would have made Hillary Clinton the president in January 2017.”
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If the VP could unilaterally reject electoral votes, Joe Biden would have made Hillary Clinton the president in January 2017."
This is an excellent point.
Amazing how many on "our" side think that the Vice President can unilaterally toss out state's elector votes.
There would never have been a President Trump if the VP has that much individual power or authority.
That's NOT the kind of King like power we want any one individual to have. This specific election mess we are in, was always about the STATES. It was the contested states that let us down.
Gullible people are reading too many blogs and tweets by nutcases. Neither Trump nor Pence have authority to reject electors selected and certified by the states.
as would every VP when the white house changes hands...
The State Legislatures didn’t do their jobs.... not a one of them...
Yes...Your logic is inescapable. Dithering Republican state legislatures have baked the cake. Not sure even a Rat VP would attempt to throw it out....
GEEE - why didn't THEY think of that?
Duh - because it cannot be done.
I don’t know what anyone expected VP Pence to do.
I don’t know maybe he could have gave the damn the past two months that his election was stolen. Instead he’s been on vacation and AWOL. After all Pence was on the ballot with Trump. He’s just as much a victim here as POTUS yet is curiously detached from fighting the steal.
You are correct. This would set a bad precedent.
I agree to an extent. If there is known criminality involved
with an election outcome, something must be done.
I do think taking the least impactful action to address it
is the way to go. Toss it back to the states. DEMAND they
do better.
This still leaves him options later.
This is a mess.
We need to make sure we do this in a way that all citizens
can at least grasp what’s going on even if they don’t like it.
This is uncharted territory and I don’t think it’s easy
knowing exactly the right thing to do.
As you say, if it was as easy as Pence tipping the election
to Trump, Biden could have take similar action in 2016.
> If the VP could unilaterally reject electoral votes, Joe Biden would have made Hillary Clinton the president in January 2017.
I look on the current congressional rules as rules but not the constitution. the constitution is the ultimate law of the land, to be consulted during any dispute concerning what is the law of the land.
in canada or some other foreign country, ymmv, but this is the usa, not canada or some other foreign country.
sometimes it takes courage to defend the constitution in the face of physical challenges. besides wars, one example is the battle of athens.
i suppose that pence can do what he wants to do one way or another. but his actions will be forever written in history books, one way or another. his actions will be judged accordingly.
> If the VP could unilaterally reject electoral votes, Joe Biden would have made Hillary Clinton the president in January 2017.
If there is a flaw in the constitution as written, it can always be fixed in the future via a constitutional amendment.
following a flawed rule just because of precedent is not a constitutional reason for or against an action.
again, if one is in canada or some other foreign country, ymmv, but this is the usa, etc.
“If the VP could unilaterally reject electoral votes, Joe Biden would have made Hillary Clinton the president in January 2017.”
A voice of reason. It seems rare on FR today.
Too true. If the VP had that kind of power, why bother having elections at all.