Posted on 12/27/2020 7:36:05 PM PST by blam
Major Covid Vaccine Glitch Emerges: Most Europeans, Including Hospital Staff, Refuse To Take It
All is not going according to plan in the biggest global rollout of what is arguably the most important vaccine in a century, and it is not just growing US mistrust in the covid injection effort that was rolled out in record time: an unexpected spike in allergic reactions to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine (and now, Moderna too) may prove catastrophic to widespread acceptance unless scientists can figure out what is causing it after the FDA’s rushed approval, and is also why as we reported yesterday, scientists are scrambling to identify the potential culprit causing the allergic reactions.
Making matters worse, Europe rolled out a huge COVID-19 vaccination drive on Sunday to try to rein in the coronavirus pandemic but even more Europeans than American are skeptical about the speed at which the vaccines have been tested and approved and reluctant to have the shot.
While the European Union has secured contracts drugmakers including Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca, for a total of more than two billion doses and has set a goal for all adults to be inoculated next year, this is looking increasingly like a pipe dream: according to recent surveys, the local population has expressed “high levels of hesitancy” towards inoculation in countries from France to Poland, with many used to vaccines taking decades to develop, not just months.
“I don’t think there’s a vaccine in history that has been tested so quickly,” Ireneusz Sikorski, 41, said as he stepped out of a church in central Warsaw with his two children.
“I am not saying vaccination shouldn’t be taking place. But I am not going to test an unverified vaccine on my children, or on myself.”
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Look from what I read from your posts, you are gung-ho on the vaccine—and tho I don’t know your motivations, it is very clear that you are very passionate and want everyone to be on same page. You seem to think the vaccines are absolutely safe, consider it your patriotic duty to go get one in order to support the President, and trust the medical establishment. (Good luck with “Pretty Little Liar” Fauci.)
No one is stopping you from getting jabbed except perhaps government priorities. And I believe Pfizer will be collecting data from all who get the vaccine now in order to contribute data...likely to help with determination of just how long immunity lasts, impact of vaccine on the new strain, ETC. Again, you can share your experiences and impressions...All good.
But please...
1. don’t put words in my mouth.
2. don’t try to imply or accuse me of not supporting the President because I am asking questions or am skeptical.
3. do allow me to disagree—I have my concerns and sources, and my interpretation of the facts just as do you. We don’t all need to be on the same page—and over the years, often we Freepers aren’t.
Come to think of it I think I got the cube too. It was a very long time ago, memory is a bit hazy on it all. I sure remember there were a lot of screaming , crying kids and harried moms and dads. As I kid I had allergies to pollen and molds, hay fever I guess is what it was. When I was about 10 my parents used to take me to our family doctor once a week to get a shot.
I don’t remember what it was but it seemed to help. “Family doctor’’. That’s gone the way of the wind. Now they’re called ‘’primary care doctors’’.
Our doctor was Dr. Harvey. He’d been a medic in WW2, in the ETO. I learned later in life he eventually had to give up his practice. He had a drinking problem.
You’re a vaccine Nazi..
Exactly, great post. All the coercion by govt, health systems, now businesses... and the same posters show up on these threads with name-calling and attacks on the skeptics which is intended to shut down conversation. Not one of these poster “doctors” have coherently refuted the basic safety questions about this brand new, never before approved mRNA nanoparticle technology and the long term effects. They cannot refute it because they don’t know, that is posters like gas_dr.
The video below is about 30 minutes of doctors telling you to NOT take this vaccine. Are they lying to you? Why? We know Dr Pinocchio Fauci is a LIAR, we know Dr Birx is a rules for thee but not me type. Many of these REAL doctors in the video are under attack by the medical establishment not for malpractice but for going against the BigPharma-BigMedical-BigHealthcare complex. Some of them are known anti-vaxxers, but others are not.
The vaccines are how we stop new cases, stop deaths, end the shutdowns, end the masks, end the social distancing, and return to normal. They’ve been well tested and proven to be both safe and among the most effective vaccines ever produced. So yes, I’m pretty gung-ho about all that.
Are they “absolutely” (as in 100%) perfectly safe for each and every individual on Earth? No. No vaccine is. No drug is. Penicillin causes allergic responses at a rate something like 2,000 times higher than the two vaccines out currently for COVID-19. Every drug on the market has warning labels. When you start talking about the individual physiology of 7 billion people, you can’t say Tylenol is “absolutely” safe. But they’re safe, in the context of what we generally consider to be safe medications you find in any store and considering the simplicity of the components, there’s no indication nor any reason to believe that our judgement of the two approved vaccines’ safety will change with time.
I consider it a wise choice both for yourself and for the good of the country (see above: returning to normal, no more shutdowns, etc.) for as many people as possible to get vaccinated as quickly as possible. Our economy needs people to be inoculated sooner rather than later so the Democrats will quit killing small businesses.
My objection to what you said comes down to you saying that they skipped animal trials (not true, and I know you acknowledged that above), that the process for testing was not normal (it’s perfectly normal to put any drug that’s needed quickly into the FDA’s established “Fast Track” program), and that the approved vaccines are “experimental”, implying they haven’t been properly vetted. They have - in fact - gone through full Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials. We have all the data from all those trials. Tens of thousands of closely monitored volunteers over the course of months, carefully evaluated for any sign of problems and to ensure the vaccines actually do what we need. And they work.
But maybe that’s not enough for you. Maybe you want years of testing and studies. Maybe you want a million or ten million people to have it. That’s fine; that’s completely your decision. I respect that decision and I’ll never support anyone trying to mandate you take any vaccine or drug you aren’t comfortable with. That’s a personal choice between you and your doctor.
My issue is only with misrepresenting the situation to others who are also trying to make their own decision. They may be fine with taking something that’s gone through Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials (i.e. something that’s been well tested), but not okay with taking something that is “experimental”. They may be happy to get a vaccine that’s safe and effective, but not one what “skipped animal trials” or hasn’t followed a normal testing process. There’s a lot of misinformation thrown around about these vaccines, including a lot of nonsense about them “altering your DNA” or “making you infertile”. Absolute hogwash. Not saying you’ve made those claims; just saying there’s a lot of bad info being passed around.
What I want is for everyone to have all the facts in front of them so they can make an informed, intelligent decision about what’s best for themselves and their family. When bad information is given out, it takes away the RIGHT each and every person has to make their own decision. The decision itself is yours and everyone’s. But the information that decision is based on must be truthful and accurate in order to properly exercise that right. The facts are my concern; not the decision you ultimately make for yourself.
You’re an idiot.
This is not the same as old vaccines and a minimum of 5 years of testing should have been conducted to assess long term effects before it was unleashed on the public. Phases are irrelevant, time is relevant.
As for altering DNA there is the possibility of reverse transcriptase uptake which has not been adequately assessed. And this CV19 spike protein does contain components that are exactly the same as placental/fetal which could cause infertility. If you have not read about these potentials then you surely are not well-informed.
Please stop insulting other adults by claiming that posts on FR are such important sources of misinformation and that people here are easily led sponges. Tell the truth and people are interested.
As for the lockdowns, destruction of the economy, ruination of small businesses - the lockdown has nothing to do with CV19. You can go to the strip club, but not the church. You can go to the casino, but not the gym. DM even claimed that people who walk their dog outdoors are more likely to get sick! What a fussy virus!
You are on lockdown so you don’t overthrow the governments.
So you're saying that whenever Oxford or Novavax or any of the other gen 1 or gen 2 (non-mRNA) vaccines come out, you're right on board, right?
"As for altering DNA there is the possibility of reverse transcriptase uptake"
Sure, and there's the possibility that elephants can fly. With enough math, I can prove it! Let's just ignore the fact that every law of physics known to man would need to be broken in order for that to happen...
"Please stop insulting other adults by claiming that posts on FR are such important sources of misinformation and that people here are easily led sponges."
People get misled easily. Not specifically people here; just people generally. At the very least, misinformation breeds confusion and distrust. It makes people think that nobody knows the real answer. Well, we do, but we have a bunch of liars making false claims muddying the waters because they just hate vaccines. They don't have any real reason based on logic or reason; they just hate them. And you can't reason with that. All you can do is clearly point out the lies while supplying the truth and hope people understand.
One way to know the difference? Look at the claims being made. If the claims shift from one absolute certainty ("it definitely does X!") to another ("it definitely does Y!" ... "it definitely does Z!"), with no evidence to support any of those claims, then those claims are BS. If there's one suggestive question after another ("but what if it does X horrible thing?!" ... "it doesn't, here's why" ... "but what if it does Y horrible thing?!" ... "it doesn't, here's why" ... "but what if...") - also known as the concern troll - then that's yet another case of BS being thrown around.
And please don't mistake that for a criticism of someone asking legitimate questions. If someone asks how something works or why something is considered safe and is willing to look at the evidence given to them and make an attempt at taking that information in, that's wonderful. People SHOULD do that. I wish more people would ask questions rather than just accepting the absolute nonsense thrown out there.
If people asked more questions and actually thought things through, we'd see a lot less conspiracy theories being passed around. The hallmark of any conspiracy theory is jumping to wild conclusions without actually playing the tape all the way through to see what that crazy claim would look like in the real world. It's the worst sort of tunnel vision and it allows people to believe utterly ridiculous things.
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Seems to me that you have become some sort of FR factchecker refuting anyone who questions the vaccine and/or your fact set or position, and defining people who have questions as spreading lies, misrepresenting information, or as being anti-vaxers (and I did find your post to which I was referring yesterday which I will PM you if you wish).
With all due respect, you seem to act as if you are an expert & have all the facts...I asked what is your expertise...You did not answer...Since you did not, I assume your expertise is on par with any other poster. So if others post differing information, who is to say what is “bad information” vs. “good information?” The fact set has, is and will change as we study the virus and the vaccines. Look at the CDC—they have yet again changed their position on Masks and Asymptomatic transmission this week! You state there’s no indication nor any reason to believe that our judgement of the two approved vaccines’ safety will change with time. How do you state this as fact (my pet peeve of posters—post opinion as fact)? How do YOU know? It is your opinion. Time will prove it it is correct or in error.
It is your opinion that these vaccines have been well tested and proven safe. In my opinion, they have been tested, and time will tell how effective they are and how safe they are. As I stated yesterday, the H1N1 vaccine caused pediatric narcolepsy in children...it was unknown at the time of vaccine rollout. And as I stated, BTW, person who developed that vaccine is in leadership with Operation Warp Speed...So yeah, I am cautious.
You keep touting 90% efficacy—90% was during the trials...That is not in real-world setting. Not that it cannot have a high efficacy; however, it will likely be lower to average rate of flu vaccines—40-60% Oh and that is not my opinion, I read an article stating such from a virologist. We will see how it works out for older adults in nursing homes and others not in controlled trial conditions. Time will tell.
Do we know how long the immunity will last? No. Why? Because trials were not long in duration. No one knows what may emerge in 6 months or a year in terms of unforeseen issues (Again, refer to H1N1). Oh and what about people who have contracted COVID-19 more than once? Will the vaccine protect against that? Who knows? Will shots be needed seasonally? Who knows? So I think it is disingenuous to act as if these vaccines are like aspirin—something that is very well known and has been taken for decades by millions of people...
Some people have more risk or higher tolerance for risk and may take the vaccine ASAP due to their exposure to virus, etc. Some may decide to not be early market adaptors and wait to see how the vaccine performs, or if a new improved vaccine comes on the market—Actually today, NVAX announced it is entering Phase 3 trials...Perhaps NVAX will be superior...Who knows...TIME will tell. Some can afford to wait. Yes, there are several medical personnel here on FR who have indicated they have or will take the vaccine when offered. They are at greater risk than someone who can self-isolate. It is called freedom of choice. Like VP Pence et al, they may be able to provide a level of confidence so others who area cautious feel comfortable taking vaccine...But I have never heard any of them criticizing those wishing to wait.
You consider it a wise choice for everyone to get vaccinated ASAP...Patriotic, Trump supporting...That is your choice...But don’t make me out to be anti-Trump if I choose to wait...I will stake my Trump bona fides against yours any day, newbie. I was on the Trump “sanctuary threads here when many were flaming Trump supporters for not supporting Cruz...Where were you? Continuing, I never said I want to wait for years...And I never said I won’t take it, but forgive me for having a healthy level of skepticism and a desire to look at all sides of the issues...Yup, I want to fully understand how it works and the risks. We have learned much about the virus over the last several months, and I expect we will learn much about the vaccines over the next several months as well.
There are MANY OPINIONS here—full spectrum...some think COVID is a “plandemic,” a globalist reset, some think it is CCP attack on US economy and Trump, Some think the virus is nothing more than a normal flu with 99% recovery rate with bogus death and testing rates (flubros)...Some think masks are a form of subjugation to left or globalists and totally unnecessary...Some people think vaccines are the mark of the beast...Again full spectrum of opinions. These opinions are expressed here freely, and people can make THEIR OWN DECISIONS as to what they believe.
You state: What I want is for everyone to have all the facts in front of them so they can make an informed, intelligent decision about what’s best for themselves and their family. When bad information is given out, it takes away the RIGHT each and every person has to make their own decision.
Eh off the mark here...Who decides what is “bad?” You?? Fauci? Pfizer? Trump? It is your OPINION.
People have the RIGHT to make their own decision after doing their own due diligence...You think people cannot make a decision on their own? Someone posting concerns about Vaccines or masks in NO WAY takes away the RIGHT OF each and every person to make their own decision...It is called freedom of speech, it is called liberty...
BTW, this is an internet forum...Everything posted should probably be taken with a grain of salt...I know some medical personnel and others who disregard much of the info obtained thru the internet...Medical personnel I know have said directly unless it is obtained from WebMD or Mayo, disregard. So seriously, anyone with some smarts is going to weigh whatever is posted here or anywhere else on the internet...
I would note that IMHO your position is more aligned with YouTube, Twitter or Facebook...where their “factcheckers” decide what is worthy of people’s viewing...I resent Twitter, Facebook and YouTube attempting to (and succeeding in) censoring what I can see. I am an adult, and I want to be able to read full spectrum of information and make my own decisions.
You are new here...This is FREE Republic. As a rule, people are allowed to post what they want as long as it does not violate established posting rules...We are all adults able to assess information.
Have a nice evening, and welcome to Free Republic.
*** that will cause your ribosomes to produce synthetic CV19 spike proteins***
It causes your ribosomes to produce instructions to t-cells and their helper cells to attack a specific chemical component of the specific CCPVirus spike protein, rendering it incapable of penetrating a cell
*vaccine victims started testing positive for HIV after taking the shots*
It caused patients to start testing positive for HIV ANTIBODIES. It did not give them the disease. Having antibodies to HIV probably isn’t a bad thing but it can skew data for HIV infection rate in a population.
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