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Pelosi says House to vote on bigger stimulus payments after GOP blocks increase
nbc via https://www.msn.com ^ | 12/27/2020 | Adam Edelman and Leigh Ann Caldwell and Frank Thorp V

Posted on 12/27/2020 8:41:09 AM PST by RomanSoldier19

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To: Jim W N

The federal reserve is a private entity. It is as much a part of the problem as the federal government itself is.

And that includes it being a threat to Liberty.

Have you ever considered what led to the Whisky Rebellion foreshadowed all our currency controversies?

Whisky was for many the only form of currency that they had access to.

Aside: in that it represented something anthropologists now tell us is supposed to be very old where hootch (ancient beer actually) is asserted to have been among the earliest form of currency.

The point for those dependent on whisky in this way is that it was a form of currency that was in their hands that needed no form of central government, never mind some form of central banking system.

This was important because their medium for trade existing at all and having value at all were purely local matters, and something they could personally do something about.

The government, needing taxes, needed people to use coin so they squashed a form of currency they couldn’t benefit from to force people to use one that they could. And moonshining has been a great American tradition ever since.

But here we are still talking about specie coin, and specie is like whisky in that it does not need either a central government or a central bank to either exist or to be valued by people.

Then there is fiat currency that cannot exist apart from both big government and the central banking system saying it exist and likewise claiming it has value.

Here I would point out that those who might say the value of specie, or whisky, is arbitrary are without self awareness for the only thing they’ve ever offered in place is something that is and can only be expressly arbitrary. It’s like the chamber pot insisting it is the same as the fine China.

It is fiat currency along with lawlessness that has enabled Congress to cause inflation through reckless spending. Remember when a hundred billion dollar deficit was still a big deal? We were already deep into Keystone Keynesian territory even then.

(Not so Radical Republicans, Reason magazine, 1998: https://reason.com/1998/07/01/not-so-radical-republicans/ )

Unlike frogs people don’t jump out of frying pans but make excuses, or even say the heat is preferable. This is the same for increased lawlessness as for ballooning deficits.

The progressives long understood that all they needed to grow their power was more piggies feeding at the public trough. And from Social Security to these recent handouts they’ve got more and more piggies feeding.

And ultimately it is the piggies feeding that are the real problem because they will squeal to high heaven if their goodies are ever taken away.

They simply do not understand How Government Delivers Services: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7MMo06ZeJg


61 posted on 12/27/2020 9:55:53 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: RomanSoldier19

If the government REALLY wanted to stimulate the economy AND give you $2000 or whatever, it should be in the form of a TAX REBATE...

And it wouldn’t hurt to follow up SOON with MASSIVE TAX CUTS...


62 posted on 12/27/2020 10:00:45 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Rurudyne
The federal reserve is a private entity.

In name only. Who heads the FED? The Chairman and the Vice Chairman of the Board are named by the President of the United States. It is effectively a government entity.

63 posted on 12/27/2020 10:04:29 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

In ownership. So, yes, a private entity.


64 posted on 12/27/2020 10:04:59 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

Again, I exhort you to keep your eye on the ball - GOVERNMENT, not private enterprise, is far and away the greatest threat to America.

To the degree you get that, you’re on the right side of this fight.

To the degree you don’t get that, the Left has duped you.

Private enterprise in the marketplace free from government interference is what made America the wealthiest and strongest nation on earth.

That’s why the Left always tries to target free enterprise as the villain.

How I loathe and despise the Delusional Lying Left.


65 posted on 12/27/2020 10:10:58 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Reno89519

Sending all that money overseas provides NO stimulus to the US economy!!!!

That is besides the measly $600 “stimulus” payments to Americans!!!!

PHOOEY!!!!

Let’s have a REAL stimulus bill!!!!


66 posted on 12/27/2020 10:20:35 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb

Sending $$ overseas is ONLY a kickback scheme ala Hunter Biden, to Dem coffers. That’s why the bill is LOADED with that shiz. And the R’s say, uh, ok..not caring some of the $$ to be used to beat them to death in campaigns.


67 posted on 12/27/2020 10:24:17 AM PST by Swanks
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To: Swanks

It’s still NO stimulus to the US economy, besides being a bunch of kickbacks!!!!

And the hunter biden case is yet another reason why joe biden is UNFIT to he President. He is being paid by the Chinese Communist Party, our chief enemy!!!!


68 posted on 12/27/2020 10:44:04 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: JonPreston

“Good, throw it all in McConnell’s face and watch him choke on it.”

Fine here, throw whatever you like in China Mitch’s face.
He couldn’t wait to stab President Trump in the back.

Now we all know.


69 posted on 12/27/2020 11:05:39 AM PST by romanesq (TRUSTY THE PLAN! So ChiCom Joe is the Plan? Que magnificent! /s 👹)
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To: Jim W N

What don’t I get?

We are a nation of people that abuse credit with a government that also abuses credit. These came up together, not apart.

We are a nation of people who value government goodies over the rule of law with a government addicted to the power all the piggies at the feeding trough give it. These came up together, not apart,

We are a nation where millions believe government spending has a moral aspect so it is somehow immoral for government to ever cut spending. They vote for people who likewise love spending freely and tooting their own supposed morality that they are generous with other people’s means. That too came up together and not apart.

The people are ultimately to blame for the type of government they have because those in government are out of their ranks. The reason a rancid turd like AOC can intimidate other Democrats is that she is openly what many of them still try to keep covert.

We are beset by enemies domestic who probably by now imagine McGovern was right of center!

Like wild hogs who are caught first by feeding them and then by putting up the fence in stages they have already been caught and now cheer their captors.

Even many of those who claim to be conservative are attached to long standing lawlessness like Social Security and will squeal loudly should their entitlements ever be threatened.

I’m not duped at all.

Too many Americans are simply rotten apples, just look at how many seem to be in a Romans 1:18-32 condition to see that is so.


70 posted on 12/27/2020 11:25:25 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

I couldn’t agree more JLAGRAYFOX!!


71 posted on 12/27/2020 11:33:04 AM PST by JonPreston (Crash the whole thing down)
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To: Rurudyne

Did I say you were duped?

No, and I hope you’re not.

But you need to realize something. God’s judgment on America and the whole world has already fallen - 2000 years ago on the body of his Son Jesus Christ on the cross (1 John 2:2). The condemnation and judgment for all the sins ever committed in the whole world was complete when Jesus cried, “IT IS FINISHED!”

Although America’s and the world’s sins are many, because of Christ’s full payment and punishment for all the sins of the world, God does not impute the world’s or America’s or American’s trespasses to them (2 Cor. 5:19), but rather continually seeks reconciliation to himself (vs. 20).

What is needed is hearts to turn back to trusting and relying on God and away from trusting in man and his government.

From there, the devilish squatters who have stolen not only this election but our beloved country need to be replaced by Christian Patriots who are to re-posses this land God has given to us.

By the spirit and grace of the Divine Providence of God Almighty, we will do that.


72 posted on 12/27/2020 12:02:39 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: ifinnegan

Get rid of all the pork and payments to illegal aliens and bigger payments to Americans will be automatic. This is what the American President wants and the democrats in the house know it.


73 posted on 12/27/2020 12:49:23 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent (EQ)
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To: RomanSoldier19
"Hopefully, by then the president will have already signed the bipartisan and bicameral legislation to keep government open and to deliver coronavirus relief,' she said."

Yeah. Sure. Uhhuh.

74 posted on 12/27/2020 1:31:10 PM PST by familyop
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yes. Clean bill FIRST.


75 posted on 12/27/2020 3:29:48 PM PST by Houmatt (What isn't decided in court will be at the point of a gun. )
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“At least post a gif of a hot woman doing this.”

Hot women can’t eat that.


76 posted on 12/27/2020 3:35:24 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (I did not leave my country, my country left me)
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To: Jim W N

Folks still have to accept the freely offered gift.

Otherwise, if they persist in unrepentance they trample Christ underfoot and there remains nothing more to be done for them.

Romans 1:18-32 deals with people who refuse to retain knowledge of the Lord (in our time this would be folks who know the gospel but persist in remaining unconverted, those most in danger are those awash in knowing about the Gospel, and not proverbial pagans who never knew much) and presents a fruit in their lives that shows their spiritual state.

Support for homosexuality in society is then like a canary dying in a coal mine, in that it lets you know the air is bad where those miners are. At the core of such groups expect to find individuals who don’t simply appear to be depraved as set forth but actually are. Though of course more may be.

Scripture is specific that friendship with the world is enmity towards the Lord and so therefore people who, having turned aside from the truth also become champions for homosexuality, even if they’ve not been turned over to a reprobate mind, will lose whatever hope for influence they might have had to call homosexuals to repentance, and indeed become part of their defenses to resist repenting.

So, for example, someone who changed their mind about homosexuality because someone they care about comes out as homosexual in no specific order 1) loses their witness, 2) lets go of sound doctrine, 3) encourages their “loved one” to remain in sin by giving the appearance of Christian approval, 4) chooses the love for a creature above any love for the creator they may have had, 5) will probably join with others like minded, 6) may do so very vocally giving unbelievers opportunity to blaspheme depending on how famous they are and 7) in all this they are being friends to the world.

Not everyone who does that sort of stuff will be turned over to reprobate minds but everyone who has been turned over to a reprobate mind will act accordingly.

Again, championing homosexuality is a sign something has happened before it. That something is what is really serious. Other signs we might talk about besides the one given include murdering children (children are a blessing from the Lord, then whose will results in them being murdered?), reviling basic aspects of our creaturely existence such as demanding you’re the wrong gender (think of a pot telling the potter off in the parable), being full of violence and envies and ingratitude ... just to name three.

Should these things not bring wrath if they are the outworkings of high handed rejection of the Gospel? And wrath is arguably what we are seeing in our culture, in the lives of people we know or maybe even care about.

So while we may still be within the day of the Lord’s favor in the general sense in individual lives that day may have already passed as the Lord essentially allows they they shall have their way.

If it looks like Romans 1:18-32 is going on all around you don’t be surprised to learn when all is said and done that it had been.


77 posted on 12/27/2020 4:00:40 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

The heart of God is not revealed in Romans 1:18-32 which is a picture of the hopeless condition of man (which is why Jesus had to die in the first place) and the utter futility of anyone, you or I included, trying to be righteous by their own works.

Although the world including you and I are in miserable condition without Christ, God did not condemn you, me, or the world, but loved us and saved us (John 3:17). There is, therefore, no room for us to judge others because their sins have been completely dealt with 2000 years ago - a blank love-check - whether or not the blank check is accepted. To condemn another for their sin is to commit unrighteous double jeopardy because Christ has already fully paid their (our) debt and has been fully judged and condemned for every sin anyone has committed (1 John 2:2).

The whole teaching of grace in Romans and the New Testament is that we are saved and justified by grace without our works (God justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5), that righteousness is a gift, righteousness is not what we do (Romans 5:17), and God does not impute the world’s or America’s or American’s trespasses to them (2 Cor. 5:19), but rather continually seeks reconciliation to himself (vs. 20).

So the issue now is not sin, it is Christ which you must receive to be saved. But God is NOT condemning the unbeliever, he is seeking to save that which was lost (Luke 19:10).

Quit condemning those who don’t know him who God wants to reconcile to himself. That is what the Pharisees did (and do now). Jesus was and is the friend of sinners but no friend of the Pharisees.


78 posted on 12/27/2020 5:57:13 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

“ Quit condemning those who don’t know him who God wants to reconcile to himself. That is what the Pharisees did (and do now). Jesus was and is the friend of sinners but no friend of the Pharisees.”

I’m not doing that.

Romans 1:18-32 arguably has to do with those who know God’s purpose and the Gospel but refuse to honor the Son still. Who else refuses to retain knowledge but those who have some? Recall what was said of the scribes and Pharisees, that they do not enter the kingdom and try to prevent others from entering. Those potentially already under wrath are doing just that as well, only they would be teaching false gospels and advancing unholiness and unrighteousness while playing church in a modern context.

Also, Universalism (if that’s what you mean to indicate) is bunk. You do have to be reconciled on the Lord’s terms while you still have time, and everyone only gets so much time. Christ didn’t warn of Hell because it seemed fashionable but because it was and remains very real. The broad way that leads to destruction still exists even though it is not the Lords desire for people to perish. It exists because people love unrighteousness ... even those who may not know much about Christ (one reason why friendship with the world is enmity towards the Lord should be that, as I said before, it can help give those perishing a sense of they are alright and they don’t need to repent).

As for works, you’re correct that they do not save. I’m not saved because I work, but I can have works and reward because I’m saved. The works themselves are a gift too, for He prepares them beforehand for us to walk in them.


79 posted on 12/27/2020 6:27:52 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne
Those potentially already under wrath

If Christ took the full measure of God's wrath for everyone's' sins (1 John 2:2) and condemning one for a wrong that has already been fully paid for is unrighteous double jeopardy, who do you think is under God's wrath?

people love unrighteousness

Oh you mean like you and me not only before we were saved but in our flesh after we we're saved? You condemn and judge others while denying it but in doing so, you condemn yourself. (Romans 2:1). You are no better than anyone else. If you think someone else who you target is under God's wrath, so are you.

80 posted on 12/27/2020 6:41:58 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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